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HyperionFF said:
starcraft said:
Well said ioi. Now given absolutely everything ioi just said is absolutely spot-on and logical, can we simple all accept that some very strange things happened in the American market this January and both VGChartz and NPD probably made some sizable errors as a result of this?

I don't think there's anything to accept.

NPD is the industry accepted standard for US sales datas. They cover 60% of the market which is a HUGE sample and they have all the instruments to make a fairly accurate estimate of the total.

Remember that all the three manufacturers Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo considers NPD so reliable that they make press releases and official comments about their performance on NPD datas.If NPD wasn't reliable they wouldn't accept the datas as represenatative of their performance. VGcharts isn't even in the same league of NPD in tracking sales considering the disparity in resources and money behind them,and it would be fool to think otherwise.

BUT Vgcharts is a really useful place to get updated worldwide sales data every month and the weekly charts have the purpose to give the idea of sales trends but they need to be corrected when official numbers come out, I like this site because sales are continually adjusted to be accurate and I don't want this to end because of some kind of pride or unwill to admit mistakes.

As things stands now Vgcharts is strongly overtracking the 360 in the US market, 10.87m cannot be accurate with NPD putting the360 at 9.3 in NA, it should be 10.23 according to the 1.1 rule I'm reading here for canadian sales. And PS3 of course has been slightly undertracked.


Wrong.....NPD is the ONLY viable PROFESSIONAL video game sales tracking firm in the US market.  Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft all have little choice but to acknowledge them as the primary third-party tracker, and doing so is in no way an indication of their perveived trust in NPD's numbers.



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Hang on, WTF!

Why has Wii play sold more than the Wii in January? I can understand some longer time owners wanting Wii play now (perhaps some December Wii buyers)
but to go from Wii play being about half of Wii each month to selling more is very odd.



lol. It would seem the news of the disparity has spread across the internets, and we're starting to see a flood of new members who only registered to flame VGC.

Oh well, I'll be leaving for the weekends now. Hopefully some kind of a consensus will be reached by sunday evening. =P



starcraft said:
 

Wrong.....NPD is the ONLY viable PROFESSIONAL video game sales tracking firm in the US market. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft all have little choice but to acknowledge them as the primary third-party tracker, and doing so is in no way an indication of their perveived trust in NPD's numbers.

    
 

Your argument makes no sense honestly.

Do you believe that if any of the big three thought that NPD was not accurately tracking their sales they would still give credit to it with official press releases EVERY MONTH?

Do you believe, just to make an example, that if Sony thought that NPD had been undertracking  their numbers for all 2007 based on their internal datas they would accept those?

Do you believe that if Microsoft knew they outsold both Wii and PS3 this month they would have accepted NPD datas putting them in last place?

NPD is the most accurate source we have for US sales data,denying that bring nowhere except to delusion.

 



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You can't really knock VGchartz for being off from NPD when everything has a shortage. While I'm of the opinion that NPD is the far more accurate source for American numbers I think VGchartz has done well in comparison quite a few times.

But people need to understand how things work during a shortage. Manufacturers like Sony and MS don't ship the same number of consoles evenly to each retail chain and every district. Some districts blatantly prefer one console over another and MS, Sony or Nintendo will normally ship their units where the demand is highest. So if ioi is getting data from a small sample of retail chains his data wont be as good when things are out of stock because things aren't shipped evenly, some stores receive a lot of DS units while other stores probably haven't gotten any last month. Actually I know that to be the case for a lot of Gamestops in America. It would be impossible to know which stores are getting what so in times of a shortage the numbers are gonna be way off like this month.

Hopefully ioi can expand his data samples to better the situation. but I wont be surprised if it's the same deal next month.



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HyperionFF said:
starcraft said:
 

Wrong.....NPD is the ONLY viable PROFESSIONAL video game sales tracking firm in the US market. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft all have little choice but to acknowledge them as the primary third-party tracker, and doing so is in no way an indication of their perveived trust in NPD's numbers.

Your argument makes no sense honestly.

Do you believe that if any of the big three thought that NPD was not accurately tracking their sales they would still give credit to it with official press releases EVERY MONTH?

Do you believe, just to make an example, that if Sony thought that NPD had been undertracking their numbers for all 2007 based on their internal datas they would accept those?

Do you believe that if Microsoft knew they outsold both Wii and PS3 this month they would have accepted NPD datas putting them in last place?

NPD is the most accurate source we have for US sales data,denying that bring nowhere except to delusion.

 

 

Ok mate start reading, thinking and THEN writing.  You said that NPD was "reliable."  I would agree that NPD is the most accurate (to use your new word) source available, but calling them a 'reliable' source when they don't track Toys r Us or Walmart and up to three seperate consoles (Wii, DS, 360) are experiencing  shortages is a BIG stretch. 

I repeat that it is the ONLY professional tracking firm monitoring US sales.  When it puts out sales 'statistics' each month, the console manufacturers can hardly say 'well, er....no they are wrong because, um" due to the fact there is no other third party professional firm to compare them too, and the fact console manufacturers don't track sales to consumers.  When shipment figures come out for all consoles, I think we will find that BOTH NPD and VGChartz were off substantially for at least one or two consoles, rendering your original argument (that NPD is universally 'reliable') moot.

And FYI, in either November or December (I think the latter) Nintendo didn't release a response to the NPD data..... 



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HyperionFF said:

NPD is the most accurate source we have for US sales data,denying that bring nowhere except to delusion.

 

I totally agree with you here, but it should also be noted that VGC has been more accurate than NDP on a few occasions. The possibility of this being one of those cases, or more likely that both are slightly less off in opposite directions, is especially high due to all the analysts being closer to VGC,  and NPD numbers begin really, really weid for the reasons already mentioned.

It's still more than likely that NPD is closer, but it probably isn't as simple as "VGC is wrong lol".