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Captain_Tom on 10 December 2013
DélioPT said:
I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.


How is Mario 3D World so different.  Not being sarcastic, I am actually curious.



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toot1231 on 10 December 2013
Captain_Tom said:
DélioPT said:
I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.


How is Mario 3D World so different.  Not being sarcastic, I am actually curious.

How is Ghost diffrent from MW2

Im not being sarcastic or making fun of your absolutely dumb comment at all im just really curious.



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DélioPT on 10 December 2013
Captain_Tom said:
DélioPT said:
I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.


How is Mario 3D World so different.  Not being sarcastic, I am actually curious.

Honestly, you have to play it to see how different it is. There`s a reason it`s getting such good reviews.
I played every 3D Mario game on a home console and each one of them, even Sunshine, was like no other before it. The gameplay is just that different.



oniyide on 10 December 2013
DélioPT said:
Captain_Tom said:
DélioPT said:
I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.


How is Mario 3D World so different.  Not being sarcastic, I am actually curious.

Honestly, you have to play it to see how different it is. There`s a reason it`s getting such good reviews.
I played every 3D Mario game on a home console and each one of them, even Sunshine, was like no other before it. The gameplay is just that different.


And thats part of the problem right there you HAVE to play to see the difference. Now how much people are even able to do that? To the layman it looks like another Mario and they will most likely just skip it. Contrast that to Titanfall and you dont have to play it to see the difference between that and say COD or BF or Bioshock or any other FPS

Is 3d World that much different from Land? im asking cause i dont know i loved 3d land myself.



DanneSandin on 10 December 2013
ryuzaki57 said:
DanneSandin said:
ryuzaki57 said:

Which clearly shows that Nintendo IPs are not as strong as people tend to think : consumers will gladly spend 500€ to play the superior version of COD/BF4/FIFA but hardly anyone would put 300€ to play the new Mario/Pikmin.

They're strong enough to make Nintendo profitable (contrary to MS, and to a certain extent Sony) and sell consoles all by their own. 

No, the BoJ makes Nintendo profitable. Without the weak yen, Nintendo would suffer from its operational losses.

Yes, they've had a bad two years now - but before that, they had 30 good ones. Probably best track record in the business. And why is that? Great IP that's been able to carry them.



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toot1231 on 10 December 2013
oniyide said:
DélioPT said:
Captain_Tom said:
DélioPT said:
I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.


How is Mario 3D World so different.  Not being sarcastic, I am actually curious.

Honestly, you have to play it to see how different it is. There`s a reason it`s getting such good reviews.
I played every 3D Mario game on a home console and each one of them, even Sunshine, was like no other before it. The gameplay is just that different.


And thats part of the problem right there you HAVE to play to see the difference. Now how much people are even able to do that? To the layman it looks like another Mario and they will most likely just skip it. Contrast that to Titanfall and you dont have to play it to see the difference between that and say COD or BF or Bioshock or any other FPS

Is 3d World that much different from Land? im asking cause i dont know i loved 3d land myself.

Way different from 3D Land, and way better than 3D Land.

just play the damn game, and you will see why its so good.



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oniyide on 10 December 2013
toot1231 said:
oniyide said:
DélioPT said:
Captain_Tom said:
DélioPT said:
I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.


How is Mario 3D World so different.  Not being sarcastic, I am actually curious.

Honestly, you have to play it to see how different it is. There`s a reason it`s getting such good reviews.
I played every 3D Mario game on a home console and each one of them, even Sunshine, was like no other before it. The gameplay is just that different.


And thats part of the problem right there you HAVE to play to see the difference. Now how much people are even able to do that? To the layman it looks like another Mario and they will most likely just skip it. Contrast that to Titanfall and you dont have to play it to see the difference between that and say COD or BF or Bioshock or any other FPS

Is 3d World that much different from Land? im asking cause i dont know i loved 3d land myself.

Way different from 3D Land, and way better than 3D Land.

just play the damn game, and you will see why its so good.

you gave me no information at all and im not about to buy a console just to play the game on the word of someone from the internet.

Maybe Target will have a station or something



toot1231 on 10 December 2013
oniyide said:
toot1231 said:
oniyide said:
DélioPT said:
Captain_Tom said:
DélioPT said:
I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.


How is Mario 3D World so different.  Not being sarcastic, I am actually curious.

Honestly, you have to play it to see how different it is. There`s a reason it`s getting such good reviews.
I played every 3D Mario game on a home console and each one of them, even Sunshine, was like no other before it. The gameplay is just that different.


And thats part of the problem right there you HAVE to play to see the difference. Now how much people are even able to do that? To the layman it looks like another Mario and they will most likely just skip it. Contrast that to Titanfall and you dont have to play it to see the difference between that and say COD or BF or Bioshock or any other FPS

Is 3d World that much different from Land? im asking cause i dont know i loved 3d land myself.

Way different from 3D Land, and way better than 3D Land.

just play the damn game, and you will see why its so good.

you gave me no information at all and im not about to buy a console just to play the game on the word of someone from the internet.

Maybe Target will have a station or something


Watch a damn video do something instead of bitching about it not being different when you have not even played it.

you have 0 right to complain about it when you have not even touched the game.



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DélioPT on 10 December 2013
oniyide said:
DélioPT said:

Honestly, you have to play it to see how different it is. There`s a reason it`s getting such good reviews.
I played every 3D Mario game on a home console and each one of them, even Sunshine, was like no other before it. The gameplay is just that different.


And thats part of the problem right there you HAVE to play to see the difference. Now how much people are even able to do that? To the layman it looks like another Mario and they will most likely just skip it. Contrast that to Titanfall and you dont have to play it to see the difference between that and say COD or BF or Bioshock or any other FPS

Is 3d World that much different from Land? im asking cause i dont know i loved 3d land myself.

I have yet to play 3D Land so i can`t comment.

And that`s not entirely true.
I look at Titanfall and at CoD and the difference to me is the mechs and the jumping/flying.
You can look at Mario 3D World and any other Mario game and just by looking at pics or videos you can see that they are different. The real difference comes from playing. But that is true for any game.



FrancisNobleman on 10 December 2013
Captain_Tom said:
FrancisNobleman said:
So a shooter, an open world shooter and another shooter are the new innovative games of this new gen ?

Ok, I think I'm skipping it then.


What point are you trying to make?  You see "Another Open world shooter"  where many of us see a persistant and evolving war with parcour and mech elements that have never been used in an online shooter before.

It would be like calling Little Big Planet "Another Platforming Game."  If you can't see what sets it apart from other games similar to it, then you are the person with the problem.


My point is Half Life 2, Arma, Planetside 2, Far Cry 3, Crysis, you got it.

Those games you mentioned are generic formulas, with new characters. Far from new experiences.

 

Nothing wrong with that, whatever grinds your gears, but calling those games innovative experiences that you can only have now, on the mid-range powered undercover PC's called "next gen" consoles is kinda funny :)

 

You want an innovative game in the FPS genre ? Take a look at portal perhaps. Anti chamber also. Now that's innovative and never seen before.