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Mr Khan on 10 December 2013
pokoko said:
I'm not sure what people are mad at the OP about or why the PS4 and XO are being brought up.

The simple fact of the matter is that Nintendo is behind the 8-ball because they HAVE to make up for a lack of content from third-parties. Sony and Microsoft do not. That is an important consideration.

The situation right now is that potential customers for the Wii U (excepting multiple console owners) have to like Nintendo games more than Sony/Microsoft content COMBINED with third-party games. In more blunt terms, they have to like Nintendo games more than they like playing a wide variety of games or any of the (many) genres that are underrepresented on the Wii U.

It's become clear, I think, that a large number of people have decided to give up Nintendo games rather than give up on the diversity offered by the other consoles. Granted, it looks like 2014 is going to be MUCH more diverse for the Wii U but that's following a 2013 that brought very little to the table that would excite someone on the fence.

Personally, I'm curious to see if Nintendo is going to be able to pull another big (non-platforming) franchise out of the hat for now and the future. Unless they're comfortable with being niche, they're going to need to diversify.

Of course, the question now seems to be, are Wii U going to buy into any new IP or do they really just want more of the same?

This is an important point. Wii succeeded in that regard because it reached out successfully to people for whom those other games had minimal appeal, but the third party issue means it becomes an either-or choice, forcing Nintendo to either undercut hardware prices or, basically, leave the market, since it's obvious third party support is never going to come back in a significant way.

The alternative is to pursue the blue ocean in some way shape or form. That is the only way forward.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

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Captain_Tom on 10 December 2013
DanneSandin said:
If this were true, then Fifa, Madden, NHL, Halo and God of War and Grand Turismo wouldn't sell consoles either. But clearly, they do.


They won't carry their consoles.  Did you read everything I said?  

 

-MGS4 was amazing! But Uncharted, Resistance, Little Big Planet, Killzone, and so many more NEW games proved that this wasn't just a PS2.



Viktor on 10 December 2013

Why are Sony fans so obsessed with Nintendo?



Captain_Tom on 10 December 2013
pokoko said:
I'm not sure what people are mad at the OP about or why the PS4 and XO are being brought up.

The simple fact of the matter is that Nintendo is behind the 8-ball because they HAVE to make up for a lack of content from third-parties. Sony and Microsoft do not. That is an important consideration.

The situation right now is that potential customers for the Wii U (excepting multiple console owners) have to like Nintendo games more than Sony/Microsoft content COMBINED with third-party games. In more blunt terms, they have to like Nintendo games more than they like playing a wide variety of games or any of the (many) genres that are underrepresented on the Wii U.

It's become clear, I think, that a large number of people have decided to give up Nintendo games rather than give up on the diversity offered by the other consoles. Granted, it looks like 2014 is going to be MUCH more diverse for the Wii U but that's following a 2013 that brought very little to the table that would excite someone on the fence.

Personally, I'm curious to see if Nintendo is going to be able to pull another big (non-platforming) franchise out of the hat for now and the future. Unless they're comfortable with being niche, they're going to need to diversify.

Of course, the question now seems to be, are Wii U going to buy into any new IP or do they really just want more of the same?


Thank you for understanding where I am coming from, and what my point is.  It's clear you get what I am saying.

 

I owned an N64 and loved it!  I eventually got a Gamecube when it was $50.  But nothing is new over there anymore.



FrancisNobleman on 10 December 2013

So a shooter, an open world shooter and another shooter are the new innovative games of this new gen ?

Ok, I think I'm skipping it then.



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Seece on 10 December 2013

Lack of third party and aiming at a now niche market means you're correct, the software WiiU receives and will receive isn't enough to support the console.



 

Captain_Tom on 10 December 2013
blessedswine said:

not all pretty games though have bad gameplay,  and sometime a games story and graphics can be imersive and allow one to over look bad controls.


Yep.  I love how some people think that I love Killzone or MGS for its graphics.  Um no Killzone has astoundly good MP and an engrousing universe, and MGS has some of the most amazing gameplay I have EVER seen.  Yeah Killzone is pretty, and?



DélioPT on 10 December 2013

I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.



oniyide on 10 December 2013
FrancisNobleman said:
So a shooter, an open world shooter and another shooter are the new innovative games of this new gen ?

Ok, I think I'm skipping it then.


and platformers are? im sorry what was your point?



Captain_Tom on 10 December 2013
FrancisNobleman said:
So a shooter, an open world shooter and another shooter are the new innovative games of this new gen ?

Ok, I think I'm skipping it then.


What point are you trying to make?  You see "Another Open world shooter"  where many of us see a persistant and evolving war with parcour and mech elements that have never been used in an online shooter before.

It would be like calling Little Big Planet "Another Platforming Game."  If you can't see what sets it apart from other games similar to it, then you are the person with the problem.