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SM3DWorld sales are bad

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Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

considering it was one of the few games out at launch for n64, it did sell systems. i doubt people were buying it for pilot wings, cruisin USA or whatever the hell else was out.



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oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

considering it was one of the few games out at launch for n64, it did sell systems. i doubt people were buying it for pilot wings, cruisin USA or whatever the hell else was out.

Outside the US, people didn't buy the system period. 3D Mario isn't the system seller Nintendo hoped it'd be.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.


I tend to imagine the system sales WiTH the game.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Arius Dion said:
zorg1000 said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.


I tend to imagine the system sales WiTH the game.

then what it barometer? who is the authority on what is a system seller, cause by that logic. N64 had NO system sellers. Neither did GC since it sold worst. Hell what does one consider a flop system or not?



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oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
zorg1000 said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.


I tend to imagine the system sales WiTH the game.

then what it barometer? who is the authority on what is a system seller, cause by that logic. N64 had NO system sellers. Neither did GC since it sold worst. Hell what does one consider a flop system or not?


Pretty much. Gamecube was a flop, N64 was a steep decline. Software is always responsible for a consoles installed base.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Arius Dion said:
zorg1000 said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.


I tend to imagine the system sales WiTH the game.

That literally makes no sense. A system seller is a game that makes people buy the hardware. if a console only sells 10 million lifetime and the best selling game has a 100% attach ratio than that game is a system seller.

Mario 64 was a system seller, it was the primary reason to own an N64, especially in the first 6 months of its life. Without Mario 64, the biggest launch window games were Pilotwings and Wave Race, im pretty sure those games werent pushing a ton of hardware.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
Arius Dion said:
zorg1000 said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.


I tend to imagine the system sales WiTH the game.

That literally makes no sense. A system seller is a game that makes people buy the hardware. if a console only sells 10 million lifetime and the best selling game has a 100% attach ratio than that game is a system seller.

Mario 64 was a system seller, it was the primary reason to own an N64, especially in the first 6 months of its life. Without Mario 64, the biggest launch window games were Pilotwings and Wave Race, im pretty sure those games werent pushing a ton of hardware.

Actually, I'd say your idea of a system seller makes no sense.  "take away the game and how much does the system sell" That's retarded. Because the game was released, and the console was a steep decline from the SNES. So obviously the game didn't sell enough systems.

As an aside, Wave Race 64 remains my favorite racing game of all time. The game was simply amazing. If Wii U gets a Wave Race, I get a Wii U.

Gamecube and N64, are homes to two of my favorite single player games ever. OoT deserves Goat, and for me it is. No doubt about it. And Metroid Prime to me, is the Citizen Kane of video games. It is a masterpiece. But as a whole both systems failed to really catch on to the mainstream, and signaled continued decline for Nintendo. Until the Wii (tied for my favorite console ever with SNES)



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
zorg1000 said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.


I tend to imagine the system sales WiTH the game.

then what it barometer? who is the authority on what is a system seller, cause by that logic. N64 had NO system sellers. Neither did GC since it sold worst. Hell what does one consider a flop system or not?


Pretty much. Gamecube was a flop, N64 was a steep decline. Software is always responsible for a consoles installed base.


The DVD player on the PS2 was the one exception of software not really mattering.  PS2's early software in my opinion was pretty lame, but it still sold well because parents wanted that DVD player. Once the install base was there companies started creating great games.



superhippy420 said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
zorg1000 said:
Arius Dion said:
oniyide said:
Arius Dion said:
3D Mario was never a big system mover. This isn't surprising in the least. What is surprising is how low Wii U is selling in what is now the holiday season.

I wonder what HQ is talking about behind closed doors. This isn't working, Nintendo needs to fined a new direction.

Mario 64??

Really dude? Couple million over Gamecube, 15m units below SNES. Yeah Mario 64 sold systems.

When trying to see if a game is a system seller or not try imaging how well the console would have sold without it.

How well would N64 have sold without Mario 64? Obviously I dont know for sure but based off the fact that over 1/3 of N64 owners bought the game id say it was one of, if not the biggest system seller for N64.


I tend to imagine the system sales WiTH the game.

then what it barometer? who is the authority on what is a system seller, cause by that logic. N64 had NO system sellers. Neither did GC since it sold worst. Hell what does one consider a flop system or not?


Pretty much. Gamecube was a flop, N64 was a steep decline. Software is always responsible for a consoles installed base.


The DVD player on the PS2 was the one exception of software not really mattering.  PS2's early software in my opinion was pretty lame, but it still sold well because parents wanted that DVD player. Once the install base was there companies started creating great games.

Sorry my friend, I love your posts, I do, but that is bogus. Software always matters. PS2's software early on was lame, I agree, but the ability to play DVD's didn't save it. GTA 3, MGS2 and Madden did. Plus a lot of hype.

I've never been a fan of Sony though, I always viewed them as jr. pc's, with lame first party offerings, that are over hyped.  Playstation itself is better defined by third party offerings any way.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.