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Yes/No?

Yes 148 33.04%
 
No 274 61.16%
 
Other ( post below) 26 5.80%
 
Total:448
spurgeonryan said:

He basically did nothing right, other than have a gift for speeches and public speaking in general.

Kind of tells the whole world what to expect if an African American is president. Not saying I am saying that. Anyone could have screwed up as we saw with That idiot Bush kid who was President. But this was kind of like a big thing for African Americans. Finally getting full equal treatment. All of America voting for him and then he does a horrible job.

 

What do you all think?

Please no racism, because you know you will be banned! I am trying to ask this question without adding any racism in it, even though it is probably a touchy subject for some. Hard to do, but I hope I accomplished this.


Why'd you write the bold? That's racist is it not? 

It didn't help at all that Americans chose Bush's silly ass not once but twice. No one coming behind hi

m would remedy that mess. It started before Bush als

o though but he was terrible. 

 

 

 



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RG3Hunna said:

So because Trayvon skipped school he was a criminal? Because Trayvon acted up in school he was a criminal? Because Trayvon was suspended from school he was a criminal? Because Trayvon Smoked weed he was a criminal? That's my point, how was he a criminal if he hadn't been convicted of anything yet? Majority of teen boys are smoking weed, skipping school, being suspended does that make them a criminal? no, that's what some teen boys are doing.

How was Trayvon acting like a criminal? walking in the rain with a hoodie minding his business is acting like a criminal? HIs female friend even said he was on the phone with her and said "This creepy *** C****** is following me". So how in the world was he acting like a criminal? 

This is my point, when black teen boys aren't prosecuted harshly its because people like you think "they'll be labeled a racist by blacks". But what about the countless instances where white teen boys aren't prosecuted harshly? 

So because he drew "WTF" on the door that makes him a criminal? I know a girl who drew male genetalia on desks and she was suspended, does that make her a criminal? no, kids do stupid stuff, they're kids. 

Black teen boys and white teen boys who commit the same offense aren't judged the same and that's a FACT!

Proof Below

Part1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCQU0jt4cs

Part2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLXCCcqnY-I

Yes because Trayvon Martin skipped school he is a criminal. Truancy is a crime. He isn't a criminal because he was suspended from school, rather the suspension became the slap on the wrist for things that should have been escalated to criminal proceedings. However he tagged the school, got caught with drugs and clearly got caught with the proceeds from a theft. Those are all crimes. The school didn't refer it to law enforcment. The should have done so and saved the boy from himself.

First the majority of teen boys are not smoking pot. Surveys show use at about 20%. That said a crime is a crime. On top of that these issues are compounded  that is the real problem. A small problem becomes a big problem when not dealt with when it is small. What percentage of the population do you think is not just smoking pot but walking around with stolen jewely, tagging, and engaging in assault? That percentage has to be very low.

You quote Martin and show his own racism. The guy who got busted with the pot baggie, who allegedly assaulted a bus driver, who got caught with jewely and was caught on video tagging school property wasn't the bad guy. He knew he could never be the bad guy because all he has to do is scream racism and all is well. Martin can even ENGAGE in racism by calling someone a racial slur and it isn't really a slur because, well it's the source that determines such things, not the actual actions right? As for other people and if they are prosecuted, I know plenty of people who end up on the hook for smaller stuff. It is national policy to try to lower black criminal and prosecution rates because they are so high. However they aren't high because people are racist. They are high because people are engaging in those actions and folks like yourself just say "everyone is doing it." Everyone isn't doing it and in most other communities that stuff is hit square on the head and dealt with pretty strongly. There are people who slip through the cracks and who screw off with a bunch of high risk behaviors. When they end up dead it isn't a national cause.

Under Obama....

Black poverty UP

Black unemployement UP

Black teen unemployment UP

Black labor force participation DOWN

Black to White income gap UP

Black family dissolution UP

Black wealth and percentage of overall share DOWN

Black poverty rate under Ronald Reagan was down to 11%. Under Obama it is over 25%.

However up is down and down is up when someone can scream racism and turn the brain off.

Also I've seen those videos and that set up a half dozen times. First the black kids are smaller. Two of them are barely bigger than the woman that talks to them for four minutes. They use kids, not adults. You look at the white kids and they are bigger and taller. Second they use as a measurement calls to the police but then they intervene on the man who is confronting them before he calls the police.

However all that said, all that happened in supposed horrible racist America is that some people witnessing a crime called more on it in once instance than another. They didn't lynch them, shoot them, beat them, or even confront them. No pick up trucks with shotgun racks rolled up where a bunch of white people, certain they are superior and others inferior decided they would let them know now how things are "around these parts."

Are we to believe, and would you seriously suggest that if the reverse happened that no one would approach or confront the white kids in the black neighborhood? They never run the situation in reverse. They don't take two cars into a black neighborhood and then show a bunch of smaller sized white kids clowning, tagging and beating on the car. Also the black kids answered outright that it wasn't their car. The white kids reflected the question back and didn't answer the question. The expert even mentions that part of the issue is that the kids are clearly from a different neighborhood. That isn't racism. Racism is believing another race INFERIOR. It might be a bit of stereotyping but in the absence of information everyone relies on sterotyping a bit. This is true of women who don't want to walk to a car alone in the dark. It doesn't mean they hate men. It doesn't mean they think men inferior. It means they are stereotyping in the absence of known information. Now the people asked the kids the question and the black kids said it wasn't their car. Point blank that is coping to a crime and that means people call. I would bet money that many more people in the reverse situation would be willing to take the law into their own hands in the black neighborhood. Because of their own racism, I'd even bet that in the black neighborhood, they'd declare that since the law doesn't prosecute white people (your own claim as well) that they might as well get justice themselves and on their own terms.

No justice, no peace right?



SocialistSlayer said:
He's set America back 20-50 years

Hey, this is a better question! "Has Barrack Obama set African Americans back 20-50 years?"



Oh lawd. Please keep Trayvon out of this-- completely off topic.



stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Now Obama is not perfect in any way, and i don't agree with him in a lot of things, but anything is better than a republican and Obama is better than most democrats.

Really?  Policy wise i'd say he's been more or less exactly like George W. Bush... but with healthcare.

I mean... if you need any further proof... just look at the huff po leak.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/08/tpp-trade-agreement_n_4409211.html

 

If anything, Obama shows that the Democrats really need their own tea party movement.  Both parties are far from what they claim to be.



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so Obama brought us back to the possible 1960's?

no....just no, if you really think Obama took us african americans back to the 1960's then you ought to take a 20th century african-american history class



Kasz216 said:
stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Now Obama is not perfect in any way, and i don't agree with him in a lot of things, but anything is better than a republican and Obama is better than most democrats.

Really?  Policy wise i'd say he's been more or less exactly like George W. Bush... but with healthcare.

I mean... if you need any further proof... just look at the huff po leak.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/08/tpp-trade-agreement_n_4409211.html

 

If anything, Obama shows that the Democrats really need their own tea party movement.  Both parties are far from what they claim to be.

I sincerely believe that this country at its core is center-right. I don't think people would embrace a liberal tea party like movement like the Tea Party movement was embraced. People still use the term "socialist" as an insult. Hell people use the word "liberal" as an insult. A moderate republican beats a democrat anyday -- the problem is that there aren't too many moderate republicans left.



tagging.

FYI He has done more in 5 years then Bill Clinton has done in 8 years.

Bill Clinton reduce a 600 billion dollar debt to 100 or ars, but the debt ceilling was raised 8 times, while Barack Obama takes care of Bush's 57 Trillion dollar debt, and the Debt ceilling waes.

Ronald Reagan had the Debt ceilling increased 17 times, so imagine how much money George W. Bush & Republicans have spent during those 8 years, let alone how many times the Debt Ceilling was increased.

And Bill Clinton did nothing about Health Care, but looks good compare to other presidents.



Bill Clinton reduce the Debt to 100 or 10 Billion dollars.

Barack Obama had the Debt ceilling increased only 3 times.

Sorry for type error in the first post of mine.



Kasz216 said:
stlwtng4Dmdrxip said:
Now Obama is not perfect in any way, and i don't agree with him in a lot of things, but anything is better than a republican and Obama is better than most democrats.

Really?  Policy wise i'd say he's been more or less exactly like George W. Bush... but with healthcare.

I mean... if you need any further proof... just look at the huff po leak.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/08/tpp-trade-agreement_n_4409211.html

 

If anything, Obama shows that the Democrats really need their own tea party movement.  Both parties are far from what they claim to be.

The democrats know better than that. Getting too bogged down by the left wing is what made the 1980s into a lost decade for the party, and so the party's left has been kept suppressed almost permanently since.

I mean, we've seen what the Tea Party's actually done to the Republicans. Middle America has said Hell No, and will continue to do so until the GOP puts a lid on the wingnuts.



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