Seece said:
Didn't Pikmin move more systems than this? |
yes it did!
Seece said:
Didn't Pikmin move more systems than this? |
yes it did!
EricFabian said:
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Nope. You're absolutely right about that.
EricFabian said:
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Mario coming off of a pricecut and a bunch of new bundles failed to do anything, it's humiliated by Pikmin 3. I actually think that a Zelda would easily move more hardware (didn't Zelda: WW HD do more as well?), Metroid Prime could do the trick as well. You know why? People don't care about Mario enough to buy a console for him. Once they own the console, they'll pick his game up, sure. But at this point Nintendo is just throwing Mario games by the dozens and nobody cares anymore. How am I to be excited about the new Mario, when we already got like 6-7 Mario games during the last 12 months? On the other hand Zelda and Metroid are games that are worth picking a console up for.
I am personally waiting for a Metroid Prime (or at least Trilogy HD), a dark and gritty Zelda and X. No number of Mario games can influence my purchase. Maybe Mario Kart would be the only Mario game that I'm excited about. Once I get the Wii U I'll surely get 2D and 3D Marios down the line, but I won't even think about buying the console for them. That's not how they work, Nintendo should give him a bit of a rest after MK and SSB and focus on developing other franchises.
Though a price cut is key for me.
Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!
My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/
My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.
Scisca said: Mario coming off of a pricecut and a bunch of new bundles failed to do anything, it's humiliated by Pikmin 3. I actually think that a Zelda would easily move more hardware (didn't Zelda: WW HD do more as well?), Metroid Prime could do the trick as well. You know why? People don't care about Mario enough to buy a console for him. Once they own the console, they'll pick his game up, sure. But at this point Nintendo is just throwing Mario games by the dozens and nobody cares anymore. How am I to be excited about the new Mario, when we already got like 6-7 Mario games during the last 12 months? On the other hand Zelda and Metroid are games that are worth picking a console up for. I am personally waiting for a Metroid Prime (or at least Trilogy HD), a dark and gritty Zelda and X. No number of Mario games can influence my purchase. Maybe Mario Kart would be the only Mario game that I'm excited about. Once I get the Wii U I'll surely get 2D and 3D Marios down the line, but I won't even think about buying the console for them. That's not how they work, Nintendo should give him a bit of a rest after MK and SSB and focus on developing other franchises. Though a price cut is key for me. |
While I agree with you about Mario, Metroid will never move hardwares like any Mario game (even 3D World of Flop)
kowenicki said:
It wont be anyting like that, it will do well if it sells around half of that at 12m. Nobody sensible thinks PS4 will sell as badly as the WiiU but your thinking is equally extreme and you are getting a little carried away in the moment.
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How much you expect the ps4 to sell per week?
more than Vita?
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EricFabian said: While I agree with you about Mario, Metroid will never move hardwares like any Mario game (even 3D World of Flop) |
I do kind of agree with you, but also, the Mario crowd is already on Wii-U thanks to NSMBU. Metroid would attract a different type of player in, so certainly in the short term I could see it having a bigger impact. Especially if it was Prime 4.
For anyone interested, the top 30 games including retail and digital in Japan for September and October. Apparently this is going to be a monthly thing Famitsu do:
Famitsu Sales (Physical and Digital): September, 2013 (Aug 26 - Sep 29)
01. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} - 2.542.114 (225.324) / 2.767.438
02. [PS3] JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.29} – 447.385 (4.411) / 451.796
03. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Real Reborn # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.08.27} - 217.644 (22.807) / 240.451
04. [PSV] The Legend Of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki # <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) {2013.09.26} – 93.674 (4.489) / 98.163
05. [PS3] Warriors Orochi 3: Ultimate # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.09.26} – 82.986 (3.833) / 86.819
06. [PS3] The Legend Of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki # <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) {2013.09.26} – 71.868 (1.691) / 73.559
07. [PSP] Uta no Prince-Sama: Music 2 # <ACT> (Broccoli) {2013.09.05} – 72.722 (0) / 72.722
08. [PS3] Armored Core: Verdict Day <ACT> (From Software) {2013.09.26} (¥6.800) – 69.611 (0) / 69.611
09. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life # <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.01} – 58.155 (2.656) / 60.811
10. [PSV] Ragnarok Odyssey Ace <ACT> (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2013.08.29} – 46.788 (6.595) / 53.383
11. [PS3] Lost Planet 3 <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.08.29} – 50.726 (2.574) / 53.300
12. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Dream Team # <RPG> (Nintendo) {2013.07.18} – 49.905 (2.264) / 52.169
13. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} – 44.579 (3.806) / 48.385
14. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} – 44.449 (1.989) / 46.438
15. [PS3] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2013.09.05} – 39.601 (2.324) / 41.925
16. [3DS] Youkai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11} – 37.493 (1.175) / 38.668
17. [WIU] The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD <ADV> (Nintendo) {2013.09.26} – 31.154 (2.659) / 33.813
18. [PSV] Warriors Orochi 3: Ultimate # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.09.26} – 24.825 (3.853) / 28.678
19. [PS3] Dead or Alive 5: Ultimate # <FTG> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.09.05} – 24.781 (3.262) / 28.043
20. [PS3] My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute. Happy End # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.09.26} – 26.278 (1.454) / 27.732
21. [PS3] AKB1/149: Love Election # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.09.12} – 23.639 (1.542) / 25.181
22. [PSV] Killzone: Mercenary <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.09.05} – 18.582 (6.403) / 24.985
23. [PSP] Brothers Conflict: Brilliant Blue # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2013.09.12} – 24.751 (0) / 24.751
24. Saki: Achiga-Hen Episode of Side-A Portable # <TBL> (Kaga Create) {2013.08.29} – 20.537 (3.049) / 23.586
25. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.03.20} – 20.943 (968) / 21.911
26. [PSV] Yahari Game Demo Ore no Seishun Love-Kome Hamachi Gatteiru. # <ADV> (5pb.) {2013.09.19} – 19.430 (1.607) / 21.037
27. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} – 17.644 (0) / 17.644
28. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} – 16.509 (879) / 17.388
29. [3DS] Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.06.13} – 16.339 (870) / 17.209
30. [PS3] Puppeteer <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.09.05} – 14.509 (2.379) / 16.888
Famitsu Sales (Physical and Digital): October, 2013 (Sep 30 - Oct 27)
01. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} – 2.953.059 (33.911) / 2.986.970
02. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} – 433.365 (30.879) / 464.244
03. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2013.10.10} – 437.593 (0) / 437.593
04. [PS3] Tales of Symphonia Chronicles <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.10.10} – 100.926 (2.585) / 103.511
05. [PS3] Soccer Tsuku: Pro Soccer Club! <SLG> (Sega) {2013.10.10} – 91.085 (5.614) / 96.699
06. [PSV] Dangan-Ronpa 1-2: Reload <ADV> (Spike Chunsoft) {2013.10.10} – 88.334 (5.697) / 94.031
07. [PS3] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.10.24} – 84.103 (6.201) / 90.304
08. [PS3] BlazBlue: Chronophantasma # <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2013.10.24} – 85.285 (4.156) / 89.441
09. [3DS] Battle For Money Sentouchuu: Densetsu no Shinobi no Survival Battle! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.10.17} – 62.444 (1.601) / 64.045
10. [PS3] Fairy Fencer F # <RPG> (Compile Heart) {2013.10.10} – 48.180 (2.971) / 51.151
11. [PS3] Warriors Orochi 3: Ultimate # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.09.26} – 46.258 (2.463) / 48.721
12. [PSV] Soccer Tsuku: Pro Soccer Club! <SLG> (Sega) {2013.10.10} – 40.795 (7.462) / 48.257
13. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.10.24} – 37.982 (3.104) / 41.086
14. [PS3] Rain (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.10.03} – 0 (36.488) / 36.488
15. [PS3] FIFA 14 # <SPT> (Electronic Arts) {2013.10.17} – 34.133 (1.083) / 35.216
16. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} – 30.910 (2.820) / 33.730
17. [PS3] Beyond: Two Souls <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.10.17} – 29.265 (0) / 29.265
18. [PS3] Armored Core: Verdict Day <ACT> (From Software) {2013.09.26} (¥6.800) – 28.849 (0) / 28.849
19. [PS3] Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.10.17} – 27.029 (1.261) / 28.290
20. [360] Grand Theft Auto V <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2013.10.10} – 27.587 (0) / 27.587
21. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life # <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.01} – 26.410 (968) / 27.378
22. [PSV] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.10.24} – 22.396 (1.472) / 23.868
23. [PSV] The Legend Of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki # <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) {2013.09.26} – 18.586 (2.886) / 21.472
24. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} – 19.400 (1.390) / 20.790
25. [PSP] Diabolik Lovers: More, Blood # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2013.10.24} – 20.662 (0) / 20.662
26. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Real Reborn # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.08.27} – 13.681 (6.516) / 20.197
27. [PSV] Warriors Orochi 3: Ultimate # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2013.09.26} – 17.070 (2.477) / 19.547
28. [PS3] The Legend Of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki # <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) {2013.09.26} – 17.415 (1.087) / 18.502
29. [3DS] Youkai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11} – 17.359 (914) / 18.273
30. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Dream Team # <RPG> (Nintendo) {2013.07.18} – 15.185 (906) / 16.091
PS4 will sell like the PS3 in Japan. Probably a little less due to shifting demographics in Japan.
People who think it's still the year 2000/2001 over there are going to be in for a bit of a rude awakening. The Japanese market has changed *a lot*.
Besides there's nothing really that the PS4 has that the PS3 didn't, if anything Japanese game development is likely to slow even further this generation.
The Final Fantasy series for example has definitely been weakened since the last generation and that's going to hurt FFXV.
So where's the supposed surge supposed to come from? From which software? Or are Japanese just suddenly going to start buying a console where 90% of the software is made in the West?
There's no logic behind this arguement other than Sony fans getting too giddy over some early sales results from the West and thinking everything is exactly like the PS2 days, when that was a long, long time ago and the world has moved on. Just because the PS4 may win in North America (mostly by catering to PC/Western developers at that), doesn't mean the same follows in Japan.
Soundwave said: PS4 will sell like the PS3 in Japan. Probably a little less due to shifting demographics in Japan. So where's the supposed surge supposed to come from? From which software? Or are Japanese just suddenly going to start buying a console where 90% of the software is made in the West? There's no logic behind this arguement other than Sony fans getting too giddy over some early sales results from the West and thinking everything is exactly like the PS2 days, when that was a long, long time ago and the world has moved on. Just because the PS4 may win in North America (mostly by catering to PC/Western developers at that), doesn't mean the same follows in Japan. |
Thruth.
There's not a possible reasonable way PS4 will sell as good as PS2 worldwide or Japan. There's no PS2-2
The only near concept was Wii and Nintendo killed it early.
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The thing is, it doesn't have to take over Japan. Sony has already showed that by not launching the console there. Because what is left? Japanese devs will be making games for PS3, PSV, PSP and 3DS. So whatever happens, Sony is covered and nobody will push them out of this market.
Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!
My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/
My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.