November 2011 was bigger than 2008: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/09/november-npd-a-new-record-with-xbox-360-joined-by-mw3-and-skyr/

I think that's in terms of $$ and not units, not sure but there you go.

That's .... horribly depressing. 

I don't think Wii U is going to get Batman/Ass Creed/Call of Duty next year. It's just can't be worth it to make a port when no one is buying. 

Also uggggghhhh at those W101 sales. At least I got my retail copy. WTF Wii U fans, seriously ... you know you're allowed to buy something other than Mario/Zelda/DK on consoles right?

Ok now, if Wii Party U and the NSMB bundle have bombed so badly after all the promotion they are getting, I simply dont know what else Nintendo can do. They are throwing money away. No one is interested in the console. Every single game is bombing everywhere.

I think that retiring the console is the best option. Nothing they are doing is working and they lose and lose money. Making the company take in big losses.

Its Nintendos faultas they only create awareness of those titles you mentioned by releasing iterations  non-stop without trying to find or popularize a new game. This has been going on since late 2009 and people simply got tired of the same once and again. With no new IPs or brands to revitalize their business, they have dug their own grave.

Not sure how the implications of your past few posts have flown right over everyone elses' heads (as seems to be the case), but I see what you're getting at.

And I don't get your point. It's almost like you think Nintendo is "cheating" by creating powerful IPs centered around excellent games and marketed toward audiences that enjoy them. Believe me, if Sony was capable of breaking into that market in the way Nintendo has, they would be. There's a lot of money to be made there. Sony isn't taking the "high road" by ignoring the vast majority of the handheld market. They're smart enough to know that they can't beat Nintendo at their own game.

By the way, even at $200, the Vita still isn't able to keep up with the meager sales the 3DS was managing for its first 19 weeks on shelves in the US, before its price cut... back when it cost $250, and its biggest competition was the then-$99 DS Lite, on which gamers could play the newly-released Pokemon Black & White.

Don't let the Garbodor hit you on the way out.

It's not that Vita or Wii U are terrible products by any stretch of the imagination.

Design and hardware wise the Vita is hands down probably the best handheld ever made. It's so comfy to use too and the screen is spectacular. 

As far as consoles go, the Wii U is considerably more ambitious than the walled-in Wii and definitely the most feature robust Nintendo game system ever.

And despite what boo birds will say, there actually is a fair number of perfectly good games on both platforms.

The market just isn't there anymore.

It would be funny if Nintendo/Sony cut a deal, Nintendo absords their handheld division and could upsize the Vita tech for their 3DS successor, Sony agrees to support the platform, Nintendo agrees to support the PS4 as their go to console if they get a large cash pay out and joint design input on future consoles.

I'd be down for that.

I know that it will sell less than the PS3.

This is so true its a xbox/playstation market now, all the biggest third party franshises are established on those consoles, and mario/zelda are just not the system seller they oncewere ,  just look at the mario/zelda bundles that hardly did anything for sales.

So VGC overtracked WiiU by quite a lot...

450K for 3DS is OK, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to meet the 18m target. They would need to sell at least 3m systems in every market in Nov.-Dec.

Vita is definitely going to stay in its niche. Hopefully it's big enough for localisations to keep coming.

One thing they haven't done is advertising.  I saw a Wii U ad recently on tv (the one where the kids "pitch" it to their parents) and that was the first Wii U ad I've seen in years.

And another thing is no more delays.  I mean, at all.  They needed to have Donkey Kong out in December given how much they are banking on Christmas, but it was delayed.  What miracles in gameplay are they going to achieve with just a few extra months?  They need DK in February, Mario Kart in spring, Smash Bros in the summer, and Zelda in the fall/Christmas.  That's a tentpole game every quarter that may get them out of the hole they are in.  Waiting until 2015 for Zelda is unacceptable in my opinion.  The system will be doomed by then if things continue the way they are.