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Who really won the the 7th Gen Console War?

Nintendo 138 46.46%
 
Xbox 360 30 10.10%
 
PS3 92 30.98%
 
Make Love Not War 17 5.72%
 
See Poll 17 5.72%
 
Total:294
tbone51 on 05 November 2013
BrainCramps said:
DirtyP2002 said:


Okay so it is your word against the one of the former CEO of Sony.


Basic economics:

R&D for the PS3 with Cell / BluRay was rather big and even without these costs included the PS3 lost 3 billion USD in 2008.
In 2009 the Playstation division lost another 600 million. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido180000023g2o-att/SonyAR09-E.pdf
In 2010 the Playstation division was merged with Vaio division and it became very hard to track each product by itself. Anyway, the division lost 900 million USD http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido18000003dkyy-att/8ido18000003dl0u.pdf
In 2011 the Playstation division posted a profit for the very first time. Playstation 2, PSP, PS3 and Vaio made a combined profit of 450 million USD
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/report2011/SonyAR11-E.pdf
In 2012 Sony mixed the new division (Playstation + Vaio) with the TV business and it gets impossible to track. However this division reported a 2.8 billion USD loss http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2012/common/docs/EAR.pdf
In 2013 the Playstation division is back and called "game" it reported a 29 million USD Profit.

 

Feel free to show me when and where the Playstation 3 made those billions of USD back. Can't wait for this one.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/06/29/sony-finally-making-profit-ps3-hardware#.Unlx3-JaQ2Y

 

?? Your post is SONY as a company...not ps3........... Again, sony is a massive comglomerate, most of their losses are their other divisiomns. Nice try.

 

Sony started making money on PS3 in 2010.


Sony (ps3) never made its money back, its just made a profit starting 2010. Look at both of your post. It clearly shows 3Billion lose in 2008, it was never made up, unless you have proof it did?



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BrainCramps on 05 November 2013
tbone51 said:
BrainCramps said:
DirtyP2002 said:


Okay so it is your word against the one of the former CEO of Sony.


Basic economics:

R&D for the PS3 with Cell / BluRay was rather big and even without these costs included the PS3 lost 3 billion USD in 2008.
In 2009 the Playstation division lost another 600 million. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido180000023g2o-att/SonyAR09-E.pdf
In 2010 the Playstation division was merged with Vaio division and it became very hard to track each product by itself. Anyway, the division lost 900 million USD http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido18000003dkyy-att/8ido18000003dl0u.pdf
In 2011 the Playstation division posted a profit for the very first time. Playstation 2, PSP, PS3 and Vaio made a combined profit of 450 million USD
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/report2011/SonyAR11-E.pdf
In 2012 Sony mixed the new division (Playstation + Vaio) with the TV business and it gets impossible to track. However this division reported a 2.8 billion USD loss http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2012/common/docs/EAR.pdf
In 2013 the Playstation division is back and called "game" it reported a 29 million USD Profit.

 

Feel free to show me when and where the Playstation 3 made those billions of USD back. Can't wait for this one.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/06/29/sony-finally-making-profit-ps3-hardware#.Unlx3-JaQ2Y

 

?? Your post is SONY as a company...not ps3........... Again, sony is a massive comglomerate, most of their losses are their other divisiomns. Nice try.

 

Sony started making money on PS3 in 2010.


Sony (ps3) never made its money back, its just made a profit starting 2010. Look at both of your post. It clearly shows 3Billion lose in 2008, it was never made up, unless you have proof it did?


I never said it made all of it back...............................but it's obvious if from 2010 on sony started making a profit on ps3...they never lost near all that 3 billion.



tbone51 on 05 November 2013
fps_d0minat0r said:

 I know graphics are not everything but there comes a time where you have to look at the hardware and see what its maximum capability is. afterall thats why they released the wii U right?....which is still way underpowered compared to ps4/xb1


Hardware Specs~ Vita>>3DS

Software Sales ~ 3DS>>>>>>>>Vita



tbone51 on 05 November 2013
BrainCramps said:
tbone51 said:
BrainCramps said:

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2010/06/29/sony-finally-making-profit-ps3-hardware#.Unlx3-JaQ2Y

 

?? Your post is SONY as a company...not ps3........... Again, sony is a massive comglomerate, most of their losses are their other divisiomns. Nice try.

 

Sony started making money on PS3 in 2010.


Sony (ps3) never made its money back, its just made a profit starting 2010. Look at both of your post. It clearly shows 3Billion lose in 2008, it was never made up, unless you have proof it did?


I never said it made all of it back...............................but it's obvious if from 2010 on sony started making a profit on ps3...they never lost near all that 3 billion.


No its not overall! Definetly alot less than 3 billion due to PS3 profits in 2010, but we dont kno how much. At least it'll keep on selling and reduce that lost.



Talal on 05 November 2013

Sony always wins!

Except PSP, Vita and possibly probably the PS3.


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fmjasinski on 05 November 2013

Sony wins even losing.



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outlawauron on 05 November 2013
RazorDragon said:
Wii won, games(IMO) and sales wise(not debatable).

People still think this?

I didn't think anyone could argue this for Wii (and haven't seen for the past several years)....



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Nsanity on 05 November 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
BrainCramps said:
DirtyP2002 said:
BrainCramps said:
DirtyP2002 said:
So, billions of USD loss and less market share don't count.


Less market share?? One gen does not carry over to the next... Head to head, 14 months less on mmarlet PS3 outsold 360, that's fact. Proof Ps3 lost billions?? Keep in mind, sony is a big company, with many divisions./


I was talking about the Wii. -.-
And check the financial reportsm especially the Playstation division.

Or ask former Sony CEO Stringer:

You have spent three billion dollars on the Playstation 3, disregarding research and development. Can you ever get your money back?

Stringer: Not for as long as I live (laughs).

Spending 3 doesn t mean they lost it all LMAO, they have made quite a bit back...........basic economics.


Okay so it is your word against the one of the former CEO of Sony.


Basic economics:

R&D for the PS3 with Cell / BluRay was rather big and even without these costs included the PS3 lost 3 billion USD in 2008.
In 2009 the Playstation division lost another 600 million. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido180000023g2o-att/SonyAR09-E.pdf
In 2010 the Playstation division was merged with Vaio division and it became very hard to track each product by itself. Anyway, the division lost 900 million USD http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/8ido18000003dkyy-att/8ido18000003dl0u.pdf
In 2011 the Playstation division posted a profit for the very first time. Playstation 2, PSP, PS3 and Vaio made a combined profit of 450 million USD
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/report2011/SonyAR11-E.pdf
In 2012 Sony mixed the new division (Playstation + Vaio) with the TV business and it gets impossible to track. However this division reported a 2.8 billion USD loss http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2012/common/docs/EAR.pdf
In 2013 the Playstation division is back and called "game" it reported a 29 million USD Profit.

 

Feel free to show me when and where the Playstation 3 made those billions of USD back. Can't wait for this one.

Someone should send those links to the author.



fps_d0minat0r on 05 November 2013
tbone51 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

 I know graphics are not everything but there comes a time where you have to look at the hardware and see what its maximum capability is. afterall thats why they released the wii U right?....which is still way underpowered compared to ps4/xb1


Hardware Specs~ Vita>>3DS

Software Sales ~ 3DS>>>>>>>>Vita

you dont get my point do you?

if vita had 5 amazing 3rd party games which the 3ds couldnt handle, it would be finished. luckily for nintendo no-one is making those games despite vita's superior hardware.

with wii its a different case because its just not possible to put GTAV or BF4 on the wii....unless you want 99% same textures all around with no special effects, shadows and minimal animations....in otherwords not even a proper game. thats why it lost out.

anything the 3ds could do, the vita could do it better, its just that no-one does.

anything the ps360 can do, the wii cant do which is why no-one does.



prayformojo on 05 November 2013
radishhead said:
prayformojo said:
radishhead said:
Even if the PS3 sold the same amount as the Wii, the Wii would still be the winner due to profits.


Profits are not what defines "winning a generation" in the gaming industry. It's how many units you push. Period.

But we're talking about winning the "console war", which is ultimately about profits 


Yes, the "console wars" are decided by raw unit numbers sold, not profit. Arguing over profit margins is a seperate thing. When someone says "the __ won the 6th generation" they aren't talking about who made the most money. They're talking about which console sold the most units. There's a difference.