yeah I think it's pretty well established by now that 8th gen hardware are weak on the console front for sure if nothing else. We should be looking at the games as usual.

400k in 6 months says otherwise

It is nowhere near the same thing. PS2 launched much earlier, like 1.5 years ago. The amount of games coming out to it was crazy when the other consoles launched. Wii was dirt cheap compared to the competition. The motion gaming stuff was new at that time too which certainly helped.

Xbone is not launching early, is significantly more expensive than the competition while being substantially weaker console. If you don't know anything  about hardware that is fine, but in pretty much every thread you spread misinformation, it is not nice.

What happens if you do the same for price?

Anyway wii u is the family and friends console everyone enjoys.

I have a feeling X1 will become the actual centre of my TV experience if it does what it promises. Being able to activate your entire system through your voice, having awesome looking games and running my computer and 360 through will make so many things so much easier. MS has created something that is far more than a gaming console, but where games will be one of its driving forces.

Probably get it wrong.  There were times where consoles like the Genesis dropped in price right when the SNES launched or gave away free games.  The Gamecube and N64 actually launched for less than the competition but the competition eventually became just as cheap or cheaper.  Too many variables.

why not games?
they stop worring about x360 games to bring games to x1!

im not worried about power, im worried about games.
features are cool if used to new game experiences.

but if u like more power than the rest, keep the pc.

"weak hardware"

*Looks at Ryse and Forza*

LOL /thread

All things the ps4 can do..............without kinect. Ps4 has vocie commands and you dont need an expensive camera.......