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deskpro2k3 said:
irstupid said:
deskpro2k3 said:
irstupid said:
deskpro2k3 said:
EricFabian said:
deskpro2k3 said:
I think Nintendo should stop forcing Mario, and Zelda franchise on everyone so much, and make a new super hero. Thats all I think they need to do.

Nintendo already did. Wonder Red.


Got to factor in that their audience is growing with the times.

Nintendo's audience is 8-18 year olds.  8-18 year olds will always be 8-18 years old.  once you turn 19 you can either still like Nintendo games, cause they won't change, or else you can move onto something else.

Why should Nintendo change their games?  You don't see saturday morning cartoons changing to try and keep their fans when they get older.  No they just stay the same and get the new kids that are growing up.  They don't care that some 13 year old doesn't like their tv show anymore.  100 million new kids just turned 3 and may potentially watch their show.

You think the 15+ million that buy pokemon each generation are the same who played Pokemon Red/Blue?  Hell no, its comprised of a shit ton of new 10 year olds buying the game.


With that analogy, Nintendo would just be saying, "Screw you +19 year olds, you either stay with us or get out" and gives their former audience the finger while they're at it.

How are they saying screw you.  They are just making games they make.

It's not their fault that someone tastes change.  Some 19 year olds will still play and some wont.

Should I be pissed at Pampers cause when I switched off Diapers they didn't make underwear for me?  Should Pampers quit making diapers and go into the more mature underwear cause the baby's that wore their diapers grew up?  Or how about they continue to make diapers, something they are good at, improve those diapers and continue to sell them to new parents, a demographics that will never dissapear.

But no according to you, they should quit diapers, and make underwear, then in few years start making boxers cause your tastes changed again.  Then maybe start making S&M shit cause you became super mature and wanted some dark shit, then when your super old go back to making diapers again.  ALL FOR YOU, CAUSE YOUR THEIR SOLE AUDIENCE, AND YOU GREW UP.


First off all, I never said quit on anything. That is your biggest mistake there in assuming such thing.

Now for Nintendo, is it bad to cater to all age groups or just one? Think about that without the diapers analogy.

Diapers is just an analogy as you said.

I personally think Nintendo games cater to EVERYONE.  Heck most the ratings for their games are E.

But how would adding violence, blood, sex, realistic graphics, ect to Mario for example cater to Everyone, compared to current Mario.  Pretty sure the current mario as it is caters to a larger demographic than if it made it more "mature"

Would Zelda cater to more fans if it had blood or voice acting or sex or whatever you think will make it more mature?  How many games in Zelda's genre that have those aspects sell better than Zelda?  Do you really think adding those aspects would improve Zelda's sales?

do that for other Nintendo games.

The gaming forums/websites never seem to realize they are the minority.  Some what 20 million people bought GTA5.  Is there 20 million users roaming around this website or ign or others?  Hell no.  Some 30 million bought Mario Kart Wii.  What percent of those do you think are registered on a gaming website?  



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Fusioncode said:
Viper1 said:
Says the guy who has worked on damn near the same franchise for almost 20 years and is now working on an iPhone game.

Jafe has worked on Twisted Metal, God of War, Calling all Cars, Kinetica, and eve a Mickey Mouse game. And Jaffe isn't working on an iPhone game. He's not a part of Eat Sleep Play anymore because they wanted to go into iOS games. Get your facts straight before you start insulting someone. 



"Nintendo make some new shit" lol I bet that line would have made a few people see red.

He says he is a big Nintendo fan so its not like he is attacking them he just generally thinks that. And the title should be altered a little cause it seems like David is attacking Nintendo with your title when in fact he is raising some valid points.



irstupid said:
deskpro2k3 said:
irstupid said:
deskpro2k3 said:
irstupid said:
deskpro2k3 said:
EricFabian said:
deskpro2k3 said:
I think Nintendo should stop forcing Mario, and Zelda franchise on everyone so much, and make a new super hero. Thats all I think they need to do.

Nintendo already did. Wonder Red.


Got to factor in that their audience is growing with the times.

Nintendo's audience is 8-18 year olds.  8-18 year olds will always be 8-18 years old.  once you turn 19 you can either still like Nintendo games, cause they won't change, or else you can move onto something else.

Why should Nintendo change their games?  You don't see saturday morning cartoons changing to try and keep their fans when they get older.  No they just stay the same and get the new kids that are growing up.  They don't care that some 13 year old doesn't like their tv show anymore.  100 million new kids just turned 3 and may potentially watch their show.

You think the 15+ million that buy pokemon each generation are the same who played Pokemon Red/Blue?  Hell no, its comprised of a shit ton of new 10 year olds buying the game.


With that analogy, Nintendo would just be saying, "Screw you +19 year olds, you either stay with us or get out" and gives their former audience the finger while they're at it.

How are they saying screw you.  They are just making games they make.

It's not their fault that someone tastes change.  Some 19 year olds will still play and some wont.

Should I be pissed at Pampers cause when I switched off Diapers they didn't make underwear for me?  Should Pampers quit making diapers and go into the more mature underwear cause the baby's that wore their diapers grew up?  Or how about they continue to make diapers, something they are good at, improve those diapers and continue to sell them to new parents, a demographics that will never dissapear.

But no according to you, they should quit diapers, and make underwear, then in few years start making boxers cause your tastes changed again.  Then maybe start making S&M shit cause you became super mature and wanted some dark shit, then when your super old go back to making diapers again.  ALL FOR YOU, CAUSE YOUR THEIR SOLE AUDIENCE, AND YOU GREW UP.


First off all, I never said quit on anything. That is your biggest mistake there in assuming such thing.

Now for Nintendo, is it bad to cater to all age groups or just one? Think about that without the diapers analogy.

Diapers is just an analogy as you said.

I personally think Nintendo games cater to EVERYONE.  Heck most the ratings for their games are E.

But how would adding violence, blood, sex, realistic graphics, ect to Mario for example cater to Everyone, compared to current Mario.  Pretty sure the current mario as it is caters to a larger demographic than if it made it more "mature"

Would Zelda cater to more fans if it had blood or voice acting or sex or whatever you think will make it more mature?  How many games in Zelda's genre that have those aspects sell better than Zelda?  Do you really think adding those aspects would improve Zelda's sales?

do that for other Nintendo games.

The gaming forums/websites never seem to realize they are the minority.  Some what 20 million people bought GTA5.  Is there 20 million users roaming around this website or ign or others?  Hell no.  Some 30 million bought Mario Kart Wii.  What percent of those do you think are registered on a gaming website?  


Mario and Zelda is always E rated and targeted mostly for 8+. I don't know how you missed it, but what I proposed before is a new hero for their growing audience.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nintendo needs to add some mature titles. Outside of that they are fine. They are all about profitability so he doesn't really know what hes talking about.

More Mature rated games would be an excellent addition!! If they can't make them, hire a developer that can but still own the IP. Sony does it better than any one else. 



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Says the guy that only makes Twisted Metal and God of War



                  

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deskpro2k3 said:

First off all, I never said quit on anything. That is your biggest mistake there in assuming such thing.

Now for Nintendo, is it bad to cater to all age groups or just one? Think about that without the diapers analogy.

I used to be a Nintendo fan.  Saved up my own Birthday/Christmas money to put toward an NES.  Traded some skateboard parts to a rich kid for his SNES.  I often say that Sony won me over with the PS1, which is true, but before the PS1 even came out, I had become disenchanted with my SNES.

Ironically, I mainly attribute this to my two favorite SNES games, FF VI and A Link to the Past.  They were both so incredibly good that they made me realize how limited almost everything else was.  They made me want more.  They made me want games with quality stories, interesting characters, and new experiences.  Mainly what I got, however, were more platformers.  FF VI, especially, broke my heart because I couldn't find anything else like it.

Then the PS1 came out and suddenly, bam, new gaming experiences all over the place.

I understand now that Nintendo lost me partially because of the cart/CD fiasco but back then it just felt like Nintendo had no interest in keeping me as a customer.  That bothered me more than a little.

I still really don't understand why Nintendo has refused for so long to recognize that many people crave variety in gaming.  They're trying now, kind of, with Bayonetta and Monolith, but it might be too late.  It's not like they ever had to alter Mario or Zelda or anything else.  Sony has LBP and TLoU, so it's obvious you can have different types of games in your stable.  What they're doing now with Monolith is exactly what they should have done a long time ago.

 



Fusioncode said:
Viper1 said:
Says the guy who has worked on damn near the same franchise for almost 20 years and is now working on an iPhone game.

Jafe has worked on Twisted Metal, God of War, Calling all Cars, Kinetica, and eve a Mickey Mouse game. And Jaffe isn't working on an iPhone game. He's not a part of Eat Sleep Play anymore because they wanted to go into iOS games. Get your facts straight before you start insulting someone. 

Is this phrase foreign to you?   Because where I come from it implies that he could have worked on more things but primarily worked on one for a longer priod than the others.  Get your idioms straight before you inculpate someone.

As for Eat Sleep Play...did you see me type Eat Sleep Play?  No, I didn't.  Why?  Becuse I wasn't talking about ESP.  I was talking about David Jaffe himself who is indeed tinkering with iOS stuff.


Nyanks, you might want to keep your napkin.



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Can't say I disagree with the latter part. I don't think they should sell out though.



 

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Viper1 said:
Fusioncode said:
Viper1 said:
Says the guy who has worked on damn near the same franchise for almost 20 years and is now working on an iPhone game.

Jafe has worked on Twisted Metal, God of War, Calling all Cars, Kinetica, and eve a Mickey Mouse game. And Jaffe isn't working on an iPhone game. He's not a part of Eat Sleep Play anymore because they wanted to go into iOS games. Get your facts straight before you start insulting someone. 

Is this phrase foreign to you?   Because where I come from it implies that he could have worked on more things but primarily worked on one for a longer priod than the others.  Get your idioms straight before you inculpate someone.

As for Eat Sleep Play...did you see me type Eat Sleep Play?  No, I didn't.  Why?  Becuse I wasn't talking about ESP.  I was talking about David Jaffe himself who is indeed tinkering with iOS stuff.


Nyanks, you might want to keep your napkin.

Really? Last I heard, he was working on a game for Windows.