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Cobretti2 said:
eFKac said:
Cobretti2 said:
eFKac said:
Hmm also since now next gen versions of AC4 get a same time release, how much should the Wii U version outsell the PS4/XB1 versions? It will have an substantial advantage in install base, ultimately. A few hundred thousands of copies more?

you know it won't sell as well, Also I am sure everybody does. THe fact is the franchise isn't established on a NIntendo system. It will take time to grow (assuming NIntendo gamers warm up to it).


So how many times Ubisoft needs to swallow the pill of commercially underperforming titles until they will be established and start selling well/making good profit? Those are difficult questions, I know. I am asking them for a reason.

I won't blame Ubisoft for pulling the plug, simple as that. And judging by the recent tweet by Emily Rogers, Ubisoft seems to warm up to that idea. They will have two viable consoles to put their games on, and we already can agree, that AC4, Watch Dogs will sell better on them, even though are not even released yet. Games like Just Dance, games from Ubi Art framework, Rayman, Rabbids etc. Will do good on Wii U and will stay around on that platform, just not games like Watch Dogs or The Division.


Read the post by the_dengle
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5700769

it pretty much covers it.

im sorry but that doesnt cover anything. He didnt solve the major problem about games underperforming. Are people really suggesting that Ubi just keep losing money on these Skus for the hell of it? Build brand loyalty? AC has been established on those other consoles by his own admission AND they never had to lose money in the process.



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ryuzaki57 said:
Unprecedented support!

I would be funny that the PS4 version sells more even though buyers don't have the console to play it.


preorders suggest thats exactly whats going to happen



Captain_Tom said:
orniletter said:
Captain_Tom said:
the_dengle said:
Captain_Tom said:

-Maybe Batman should have MP on Wii U, but then again Nintendos online infrastructure is a generation behind even the PS360.  It is not as simple as "Putting in MP."  With such a small online community, it probably wasn't worth the money.

Do people still think this? Keep in mind that you are equating the online capabilities of the Wii U with those of the PS2 and GameCube.


Well the gamecube had none.  I played SOCOM and BF2 on PS2 and it worked fine.   The only thing was you had to make an account for each game and there was no central PSN/LIVE, Patch updates were rare and required storage, and it was really just the Wild West of standards.  

Maybe the Wii U has central names, but that is all they have over the PS2.  I have yet to see any 32 player games on the Wii U, and that is because its P2P network is outdated.

 

LOL yeah I am aware.   So yeah if you think the Gamecube's online was great, then it is no surprise you think the Wii U's is up to par.  Man if you used PSN or LIVE your head would probably explode...


Where did I say this ? Don´t put words in my mouth !

You literally said "Well the gamecube had none" which is not true and I send you a picture of the Lan adapter !

And stop with this condescending shit, you obviously haven´t even used a WiiU online ! I have a WiiU and a PS3 and can safely say that they are on par with some aspects in favor of the PS3 (+ , beeing able to manage your purchases on a PC) and some in favor of the WiiU (Miiverse etc.)



Pavolink said:
So with the next-gen versions, but looking graphically closer to current gen. 


and how is that ubisofts fault exactly?



If Ubi had released Rayman as plaaned on the Wii U instead of waiting it would have sold even less than it has so far- at least now they can have 3 (or maybe 5) consoles to give it a chance of catching on and moving some # s- It is a great game and should be selling better on the Wii U-



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Captain_Tom said:
the_dengle said:
Captain_Tom said:

-Maybe Batman should have MP on Wii U, but then again Nintendos online infrastructure is a generation behind even the PS360.  It is not as simple as "Putting in MP."  With such a small online community, it probably wasn't worth the money.

Do people still think this? Keep in mind that you are equating the online capabilities of the Wii U with those of the PS2 and GameCube.


Well the gamecube had none.  I played SOCOM and BF2 on PS2 and it worked fine.   The only thing was you had to make an account for each game and there was no central PSN/LIVE, Patch updates were rare and required storage, and it was really just the Wild West of standards.  

This is the game that defined the Gamecube online and it also worked fine.  PSO ep 1&2 on the Gamecube also sold better than the original FF XI: Online on the PS2.

Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II 0.45 M Gamecube sales

Final Fantasy XI: Online 0.32 M PS2 sales



Dunban67 said:
If Ubi had released Rayman as plaaned on the Wii U instead of waiting it would have sold even less than it has so far- at least now they can have 3 (or maybe 5) consoles to give it a chance of catching on and moving some # s- It is a great game and should be selling better on the Wii U-


Who are you kidding? Not only was there jack shit coming out on Wii U at the time, AND it was generally looked forward to by Wii U owners as a good exclusive (which it should have remained), BUT there was also not too much major competition on any of the other consoles in Feb. either. It would have sold a LOT better than now, going up against the likes of GTAV. Sorry, but you're dead wrong on that estimation.



oniyide said:
Cobretti2 said:
eFKac said:
Cobretti2 said:
eFKac said:
Hmm also since now next gen versions of AC4 get a same time release, how much should the Wii U version outsell the PS4/XB1 versions? It will have an substantial advantage in install base, ultimately. A few hundred thousands of copies more?

you know it won't sell as well, Also I am sure everybody does. THe fact is the franchise isn't established on a NIntendo system. It will take time to grow (assuming NIntendo gamers warm up to it).


So how many times Ubisoft needs to swallow the pill of commercially underperforming titles until they will be established and start selling well/making good profit? Those are difficult questions, I know. I am asking them for a reason.

I won't blame Ubisoft for pulling the plug, simple as that. And judging by the recent tweet by Emily Rogers, Ubisoft seems to warm up to that idea. They will have two viable consoles to put their games on, and we already can agree, that AC4, Watch Dogs will sell better on them, even though are not even released yet. Games like Just Dance, games from Ubi Art framework, Rayman, Rabbids etc. Will do good on Wii U and will stay around on that platform, just not games like Watch Dogs or The Division.


Read the post by the_dengle
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5700769

it pretty much covers it.

im sorry but that doesnt cover anything. He didnt solve the major problem about games underperforming. Are people really suggesting that Ubi just keep losing money on these Skus for the hell of it? Build brand loyalty? AC has been established on those other consoles by his own admission AND they never had to lose money in the process.

Well thats the point they established it elsewhere whilst skipping a console for a whole generation.  So their only choices are don't support the Wii U or try to make a small profit in the hope the franchise grows a few market share. COD is exactly the same. COD4 skipping wii U basically meant a lot of people shifted that would normally be one console owners to owning two or more. 

Also, people are not going to jump consoles to play their favourite franchises if they can get it on their console of choice. The next logical step for these people is to go forward with PS4 and xbox one as all their franchises they like will continue on those systems.

If AC suddenly jumped ship to be NIntendo exclusive then you may see people shift like they did with final fantasy VII.

Otherwise, why would a single console owner buy a 3rd or 4th installement of the game? Perhaps a 1 and 2 release would have helpped some of these people get inot the franchise, I don't know.

Watch Dogs on the other hang has a chance. It is a new franchise and assuming all the rave things we have herd about the game I would expect NIntendo fans to embrace this new IP. This is where NIntendo only owners need to show that they are willing to support good 3rd party efforts, otherwise it will be all doom and gloom.



 

 

DevilRising said:

Who are you kidding? Not only was there jack shit coming out on Wii U at the time, AND it was generally looked forward to by Wii U owners as a good exclusive (which it should have remained), BUT there was also not too much major competition on any of the other consoles in Feb. either. It would have sold a LOT better than now, going up against the likes of GTAV. Sorry, but you're dead wrong on that estimation.

February might have been pretty light, but Rayman was set to come out at the end of the month and March was packed.  God of War, Gears of War, Luigi's Mansion, Tomb Raider, Bioshock, Starcraft, Sim City, and even the Wii U had two games.  Sure, none of them compare to GTA's sales, but I don't see how this release climate would have seen Rayman Wii U do ~200k or more in four weeks.  Even Pikmin has barely managed that in the west (since Rayman hasn't been released in Japan, not that it'll do much there.).



DevilRising said:
Dunban67 said:
If Ubi had released Rayman as plaaned on the Wii U instead of waiting it would have sold even less than it has so far- at least now they can have 3 (or maybe 5) consoles to give it a chance of catching on and moving some # s- It is a great game and should be selling better on the Wii U-


Who are you kidding? Not only was there jack shit coming out on Wii U at the time, AND it was generally looked forward to by Wii U owners as a good exclusive (which it should have remained), BUT there was also not too much major competition on any of the other consoles in Feb. either. It would have sold a LOT better than now, going up against the likes of GTAV. Sorry, but you're dead wrong on that estimation.


people always say this, but it should not have been exclusive to begin with. Considering Origins wasnt and it still didnt set the charts on fire.