how would it help??? of course Wii sales will hurt HD dramatically because it will really slow down the transition between the old and new

Ah ok. I wasn't really sure what you were saying, I misread it.

I understand you bro, so we shouldn't expect that much hardcore games to appeal to that crowd then, since 50-year old are playing bowling and golf and etc.

I'm going to let everyone know for the last time, for those that were quoting me.

I have nothing against the Wii, second I'm camping out next Sunday at a local Circuit City to get a Wii. I have a PS3, Xbox 360, DS, PS2, Gamecube.

I want a Wii to complete my experience of this gen. I have nothing against no systems. No fanboy of none. I was just saying as Radziel pointed out already. 50-year olds are not going to convert to hardcore games. But for those that like-otherwise never played video games before and bought a Wii to get a feel of games, will eventually go after the big name titles, especially if companies start bringing similar titles to other platforms.

I for one started out with Super Mario. Loved the series for years, but eventually couldn't stop gaming and wanted every system. And eventually started to play all types of games and genres.

What I'm trying to say this topic that I'm discussing might target the little kids that bought Wii's, these children as they get older will eventually go for the big dogs (PS, Xbox brand) real soon. Since Nintendo is doing a excellent job bringing in more gamers (young and old) into the mix.

Sorry if I offended anyone, I most likely misunderstood the topic.

i think in 5 years the next systems will be out
wii 2 , ps4, xbox 720, plus the wii 2 is said to have HD,

Two mistakes. First mistake is the first bolded area. If they are bringing "similar" titles to other platforms, doesn't that mean that similar titles to the ones bringing brought to the other platforms are already on the Wii, why would they go for another console, when they can get the same experience on the Wii? And it's not like the Wii won't have big name titles.

The second mistake is the second bolded part. Are there no "big dogs" on the Wii? Not yet maybe. And you (or at least Crazzy will) might point out that the PS3 has FFXIII, the PS3 and 360 have GTA4, the PS3 has MGS4. Those are simply games from last generation that have brand name. And those games came started as new IPs, and became huge, the same could happen for new IPs on the Wii.

And I don't think you offended anyone. It's just that people are trying to point out why you are not 100% correct. Yes, some people will follow a similar path as you. Buy a Wii, play non-casual games, move up to crossover games, and then to the more hardcore games. And then when they move to hardcore status they will go all out and buy at least one HD console to go with their Wii. But these types of people are in the minority. For all the good games that the GameCube and Xbox had, only 20+ million people found it worthly to get those consoles, and I bet probably 30 million of those people had a PS2. That's only a forth of the total userbase of the PS2 that had a second console. That's a rough estimate. It's just noteworthy that as more people buy Wiis as their primary console, more devs will put their titles on the Wii, and fewer titles will go to the HD consoles. Monster Hunter 3 is already a good example of this trend. By the time most people would be willing to go "big," most "big" games will be on the Wii anyway.

In conclusion, will some people buy an HD console for FF13 in addition to the Wii? Of course. It's just that not enough people will do that to say that the Wii bringing in more people will help the HD consoles.

Bro, your taking this Wii topic to seriously. I pointed out what could happen.

Agreed that in 5 or at most 6 years the next gen systems will be out. Just too much drop in price of chips to not put one out.

A couple of givens. HD will still keep expanding into the marketplace. And a lot more people will have it. It seems only logically that all systems will go with some form of HD, tho the Nintendo one will be either equal to or less than MS or Sony's. To make its box cheaper.

Second thing learned, I hope, is the price of the new boxes will be more in line with each other. While Sony might try to come out as top of the line, their lowest price model won't be hundreds of dollars more than the cheapest, most likely, Nintendo, product.

I hope MS learned a bit about quality control, but that is always a bit tricky, especially if you feel the need to rush to the market place with your product.

Now for the unknowns.
1. How much is the casual love affair with the Wiiremote going to die out in any meaningful way? Was it just the complexity of playing the games that were keeping a lot of them away or will most of them either a) decide that they can do a more complex controller or b) they have their WiiSports and that's all that they want?

My opinion. Yes, a lot will drop back out of gaming. But a large number will stay in, doing it off and on throughout the month. But they will want games that a) are somewhat easy to win and b) don't offend them.

There is a reason why Nintendogs, BrainAge, Animal Crossing sell to non-traditional gamers. Because they are easy, satisfying and don't offend. The M-rated and T-rated games are almost harder to play, and can have elements that offend certain casual players. Some will never 'graduate' to the hardcore games, just as few gamers, after trying a cup of tea will ever 'graduate' to wanting to go to a high society tea party.

2. How will the 3rd party developers react? They will have to decide whether to make casual games or more hardcore ones. Eventually if they make too many crappy ones, and the good ones can't be seen, it will drive both casuals and hardcore away, like what happened to Atari in the 1980s. Or some will see that there still is a need for some quality, even if the game is just a 'Cooking Mama'. Not a must have game, for sure. But an okay one if you like that sort of thing.

3. How the console makers react. Will Sony and MS go strongly after the casuals as Nintendo has? Will they be successful or will the shift be too much for them? Will Nintendo's shift to more casual games be too much for hardcore and they drift more and more away? Or will the new experiences, have hardcore with a Sony or MS as their main console, but perhaps as it is turning out, a Nintendo system as a secondary one.

So, yes, Nintendo will ultimately help HD sales, since it has brought in a large base to gaming. Whether it helps Sony and MS this generation or next is more unknown.

He can take it as seriously as he wants. It's a discussion and as long as he's not flaming anyone that's fine. But the fact of the matter is that a lot of what he is true.