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Max King of the Wild on 25 September 2013
Zero999 said:
darkknightkryta said:
Zero999 said:

70-80 would be more believable. now subtract the costs for a pro controller/ wii mote + nunchuck and what do you get? an extra 40-50 bucks. magic, isn't it?

"those hardware systems would go up in price by easily a hundred dollars or more."

http://techland.time.com/2013/06/18/shigeru-miyamoto-apologizes-for-wii-u-game-delays-says-the-best-is-nearly-here/

Extra font size is from the site, bold was me XD.

You honestly think the Wiimote and nunchuck cost more than 10 dollars for nintendo to manufacture?  Same goes for the pro controller, extra 20 bucks for the both of them.  At worst NIntendo would have 80 dollars more, which is a lot to invest in a cpu and gpu.

my dear, if you are saying yourself that wiimotes and nunchucks cost 10 dollars to manufacture, how can you believe the gamepad costs 100 dollars? you can post whatever iwata comments you want, that price doesn't match with what's inside the gamepad.

Okay, if you wont believe Iwata himself how about, http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-selling-replacement-wii-u-gamepads-for-150-247205.phtml 

"After taxes and shipping his total bill came out to be $155.15" and thats not at retail. It would probably be closer to $175



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Pavolink on 25 September 2013

Yes. At least Nintendo won't be losing money from it. Regardless of the power, their third party support problem doesn't go down to simply hardware capabilities, and first party games can still be good.



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Zero999 on 25 September 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Zero999 said:

70-80 would be more believable. now subtract the costs for a pro controller/ wii mote + nunchuck and what do you get? an extra 40-50 bucks. magic, isn't it?

More believable doesn't mean wishful thinking. Its common knowledge the gamepad cost an exuberant amount for Nintendo compared to other controllers. As for Wii U being comparable to Ps4/X1? Well, just tell third parties that because again, thats wishful thinking. You could be a decent poster if you didn't make nintendo look so bad all the time. You are the Leo-j of Nintendo fans.

costing more than other controllers =/= costing a significant amount that wouldn't even make a difference if invested on other parts.

and wishfull thinking? ouch, what an amazing "argument". you think those by yourself?



darkknightkryta on 25 September 2013
Zero999 said:
darkknightkryta said:
Zero999 said:

70-80 would be more believable. now subtract the costs for a pro controller/ wii mote + nunchuck and what do you get? an extra 40-50 bucks. magic, isn't it?

"those hardware systems would go up in price by easily a hundred dollars or more."

http://techland.time.com/2013/06/18/shigeru-miyamoto-apologizes-for-wii-u-game-delays-says-the-best-is-nearly-here/

Extra font size is from the site, bold was me XD.

You honestly think the Wiimote and nunchuck cost more than 10 dollars for nintendo to manufacture?  Same goes for the pro controller, extra 20 bucks for the both of them.  At worst NIntendo would have 80 dollars more, which is a lot to invest in a cpu and gpu.

my dear, if you are saying yourself that wiimotes and nunchucks cost 10 dollars to manufacture, how can you believe the gamepad costs 100 dollars? you can post whatever iwata comments you want, that price doesn't match with what's inside the gamepad.

edit: and suppose it's really that price and they dumped it to increase the hardware. we would have a slightly more powerfull system without the cool stuff from the gamepad. horrible tradeoff.

A bunch of plastic using very cheap pcbs for controller input made in a facory in china where empoyees are paid 2 dollars per hour, yet you somehow expect it to be more than 10 dollars?  10 dollars is being generous. 

"Slightly" more powerful?  Ignoring an increased hardware budget, the Wii U could have been even more powerful than it is now if they just dumped PowerPC architecture and went with an APU and it would have cost the same.  Hell using the same architecture they could get increased processing power if they decided to use more than 35 watts of power.  Or they could have made the Wii U 199.99 and this discussion wouldn't matter.



Talal on 25 September 2013

It should have been cheaper. Being cheaper is a better selling point than the gamepad and since it's not getting a lot of 3rd party games anyway with its current power, being weaker would have probably been better for Nintendo financially.



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JoeTheBro on 25 September 2013

This is a marathon, not a sprint. Nintendo was smart to make the Wii U this powerful. It greatly extends the console's life, even if it has a slower start.



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small44 on 25 September 2013

It should be as strong as ps4/xboxone



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Zekkyou on 25 September 2013
Zero999 said:
Euphoria14 said:

I am sure if WiiU was $350 with the Gamepad they could have made something similar in power to the XBone for $350, especially since PS4 is retailing for $400.

 

I just feel that the gamepad is a total waste of time and resources. So even without pumping up the specs and just dumping the gamepad they probably could have launched at $300 or less. Would have made a world of difference if you ask me.

wii u was always 299. the 349 model was due to the bundled game. substituting the gamepad for a pro controler or wii mote + nunchuck would barely give them an extra 40-50 bucks to invest on hardware. I also don't understand why are people complaining about wii u hardware when wii u is as powerfull as any console needs to be. it's a good leap above ps360 and not much distant from ps4/xone.

It is a decent jump from the PS360, but it's a long way from the PS4/Xbone. The difference isn't as big as it was this gen, but it's still very substantial. Not to mention Nintendo lack HD development experience, so the difference will appear to be even bigger for most games.



Salnax on 25 September 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Wii U did not have similar sales in 2012. Nintendo over shipped and Wii U was plentiful wherever you went (ask the scalpers).

Wii Sales in 2006: About 2.9 million

Wii U Sales in 2012: About 2.2 million

Not a huge difference. A notable one, but comparable.



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EdHieron on 25 September 2013
Salnax said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Wii U did not have similar sales in 2012. Nintendo over shipped and Wii U was plentiful wherever you went (ask the scalpers).

Wii Sales in 2006: About 2.9 million

Wii U Sales in 2012: About 2.2 million

Not a huge difference. A notable one, but comparable.


The difference is quite substantial as this thread shows (http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=167914 ).  It's closer to being like that between the Playstation 1 and Playstation 2 than it is to being comparable to the difference between Playstation 2 and the original Xbox.  As many sites that investigated the Wii U's architecture last Spring said, "it's not a Next Gen System" whereas XB1 and PS4 are.