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ListerOfSmeg on 25 September 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
 

No I didnt tell them that because its not true. I also dont tell people they get "free" movies from Netflix either because they don't

LOL at not delayed just announced too early.

OH well if you cant think of them they must not exist.

SUmmer 2014 is this year? Wow I must have over slept.

Gotta take the install base into account as well. Sales for those games will increase as the install base does. Capcom already said MH was a success though so I think they know more about it than you. Publishers do not expect a newly launched console to sale software on the same level as those with 15 times the install base dude.

500k out of 3.5 million is poorly? Thats 14% of the install base. How many PS360 games did you just say sold poorly when you consider the install base?

You do get free games and discounts that pay for the subscription. Maybe if you were honest and actually educated those people instead of trying to lie to them and manipulate them for your own agenda they wouldnt have a problem with it.

Really, most of the games that have been considered delayed were just speculated that it will release one year or the other that never got a release date or the developers never said it was launching that year.

Really, what other Wii U games got delayed?

You don't think MGS5 is coming in about another 12 months? Okay, don't know why you think it will take longer than that. It's been in development since probably 2008 and that would make over 6 years time.

Oh, and developers dont give a shit about the attach ratio they just want sales. Nice spin


Lying would telling people a service they pay for offers things for free when you have PAY to receive those benefits. Take my example of Netflix do you consider those free movies?

I dont know when MGS is coming out. I just know you said 3rd parties games were releasing soon and then gave a game coming out in summer of 2014 as an example.

Actually developers and publishers both do care about install base. That is why Activsion actively threatened to stop supporting PS3 and PSP. The install base wasnt there. They dont have the same bias you clearly do. They dont expect a console with an install base of close to 4 million to push out the same software sales as one with 80 million. That isnt spin. its a fact. Just because you cant argue against it doesnt mean its not a valid point.

 

 I wont be back to read whatever response you bring back. It wont contain any facts and I can tell your tempor is getting the better of you because while you dont agree with me, you also cannot prove me wrong. Take care and enjoy your day



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ListerOfSmeg on 25 September 2013
Arius Dion said:
Post launch I think all console makers will share the same fate. Third Party software only matters when it is able to move hardware, and less and less games are able to do that. Secondly, Sony's first party while not as weak as M$ doesn't reach demographics outside Sony loyals. The Wii U has dismal sales, that's undeniable, but I doubt either other console makers will do exceptionally better. Economic conditions won't allow it.

This gen is going to be ugly.



Valid points and I agree completely.

I wonder though. Why do you say M$ but not $ony? Both are out to make money. Its not like Sony is doing everything just to make you happy.



Arius Dion on 25 September 2013
ListerOfSmeg said:
Arius Dion said:
Post launch I think all console makers will share the same fate. Third Party software only matters when it is able to move hardware, and less and less games are able to do that. Secondly, Sony's first party while not as weak as M$ doesn't reach demographics outside Sony loyals. The Wii U has dismal sales, that's undeniable, but I doubt either other console makers will do exceptionally better. Economic conditions won't allow it.

This gen is going to be ugly.



Valid points and I agree completely.

I wonder though. Why do you say M$ but not $ony? Both are out to make money. Its not like Sony is doing everything just to make you happy.

LoL. Because M$ has money in the bank...-$ony doesn't have as much.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

S.T.A.G.E. on 25 September 2013
richardhutnik said:
FrancisNobleman said:

It came across me that Sony relying on Killzone and Gran Turismo spin-off with different name Driveclub, and Microsoft relying on Forza 5 and Call of Duty with mechs Titanfall, may be as effective as the Nintendo reliance on Super Mario Bros, U and NIntendogs 3D to sell both the Wii U and 3DS at launch and failed miserably because nobody cares. I think Ryse and Knack, may be just as effective at demonstrating the new hardware and driving sales as Nintendoland.

Sure there are other games, but mostly, last gen slightly up-ports.

What if there is ZERO games that can keep the sales going, after the initial impulse buys and fanbase purchases, and both consoles will just struggle till the true next genness arrives on some new IP ?

I could possibly see this coming and watch the tides turn in favour of the Wii U, that is getting better and better and is inbound to receive a massive avalanche of key titles.

Not sure that Knack and Ryse are good bets either.  Knack is a mascot platformer, and Ryse got morphed into Microsoft's answer to God of War.  Heck, I am not sure I see anything either on the Wii U side that is going to make much of a difference either.  


Ryse is no answer to God of War. It's more akin to Assassins Creed than it is to God of War. 



IsawYoshi on 26 September 2013
attaboy said:
IsawYoshi said:
areason said:
They are already doing bttr then the wii-u when it comes to pre orders. And they have 3rd party and actual games to back things up after launch.

The wii u broke records when it came to preorders. the same did the 3ds. And how did it go with those consoles after the launch?

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/85877/nine-weeks-in-3ds-sales-have-dropped-to-wonderswan-levels/

My point exactly. Pre orders doesn't mean a thing.



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Cj2i3 on 26 September 2013

Those games really don't need to be bet on, Sony&Microsoft have 3rd party support. 2D Mario is a big franchise obviously didn't help Wii U's case that much, but there was and still is a little something missing for Wii U, and I'll give you a hint it can either start with a 3 or T and followed by a party.



Cj2i3 on 26 September 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
richardhutnik said:
FrancisNobleman said:

It came across me that Sony relying on Killzone and Gran Turismo spin-off with different name Driveclub, and Microsoft relying on Forza 5 and Call of Duty with mechs Titanfall, may be as effective as the Nintendo reliance on Super Mario Bros, U and NIntendogs 3D to sell both the Wii U and 3DS at launch and failed miserably because nobody cares. I think Ryse and Knack, may be just as effective at demonstrating the new hardware and driving sales as Nintendoland.

Sure there are other games, but mostly, last gen slightly up-ports.

What if there is ZERO games that can keep the sales going, after the initial impulse buys and fanbase purchases, and both consoles will just struggle till the true next genness arrives on some new IP ?

I could possibly see this coming and watch the tides turn in favour of the Wii U, that is getting better and better and is inbound to receive a massive avalanche of key titles.

Not sure that Knack and Ryse are good bets either.  Knack is a mascot platformer, and Ryse got morphed into Microsoft's answer to God of War.  Heck, I am not sure I see anything either on the Wii U side that is going to make much of a difference either.  


Ryse is no answer to God of War. It's more akin to Assassins Creed than it is to God of War. 



imo comparing Ryse to GoW is an insult almost as bad as comparing Playstation awwl stars to SSB. You can't compare a frivolous game to a game that's best in it's genre.

attaboy on 26 September 2013
Cj2i3 said:
Those games really don't need to be bet on, Sony&Microsoft have 3rd party support. 2D Mario is a big franchise obviously didn't help Wii U's case that much, but there was and still is a little something missing for Wii U, and I'll give you a hint it can either start with a 3 or T and followed by a party.


Three-year-old birthday party?



Cj2i3 on 26 September 2013
attaboy said:
Cj2i3 said:
Those games really don't need to be bet on, Sony&Microsoft have 3rd party support. 2D Mario is a big franchise obviously didn't help Wii U's case that much, but there was and still is a little something missing for Wii U, and I'll give you a hint it can either start with a 3 or T and followed by a party.


Three-year-old birthday party?



Exactly! Nintendo forgot to celebrate someone's third birthday party. You're good.

S.T.A.G.E. on 26 September 2013
Cj2i3 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
richardhutnik said:

Not sure that Knack and Ryse are good bets either.  Knack is a mascot platformer, and Ryse got morphed into Microsoft's answer to God of War.  Heck, I am not sure I see anything either on the Wii U side that is going to make much of a difference either.  


Ryse is no answer to God of War. It's more akin to Assassins Creed than it is to God of War. 


imo comparing Ryse to GoW is an insult almost as bad as comparing Playstation awwl stars to SSB. You can't compare a frivolous game to a game that's best in it's genre.


Seriously. it's not a hack n slash....its a totally different game. Way easier and casualized like Assassins Creed.