They only really need to announce what they will realease in Spring/Summer. They certainly have plenty of time for that. And if a game like MGS5 is planning a spring/summer launch (MGS4 was in June) they would only really need to worry about the other having a game.

I can't imagine MGSV as anything but a 2014 holiday release personally, though I suppose that's a possibility.

Just hoping they announce whatever they plan for Summer 2014 before the year ends, less than 6 months for marketing doesn't sound very good. Spring is Second Son, so I'm not worried about that since it will have a full years worth of marketing at that point.

I would say both Microsoft and Sony have the edge on Nintendo in that I've seen advertisements in retail stores describing the new features of Xbox One and PS4, plus they are likely to advertise those games better then Nintendo did.

That being said, don't see any game for either of the new systems beating a PS3 or Xbox 360 version or selling half as many copies in the first 6 months. But that is normal for new systems anyway.

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Didnt the samething happen with the PS Vita VS. 3DS, where they have the edge over the 3DS in that advertisements in retail stores describing the new features of Vita plus advertising the best Vita games better then 3DS ads for games like Kingdom Hearts 3D & Mario anything & Kid Icarus: Uprising. But all the Vita ads about Call of Duty & Assassin's Creed 3 LM (clearly both bought games since their just side stories) in America not do any good.

I can hardly recall a KH3D ad compare to the AC3LM ads, & COD: D ads.

That's where I think you're wrong. The core buyer of Nintendo home console products knows everything about the Wii U and they're buying it, IMO. I just think the core buyer of the Nintendo console is a much smaller number of people than what some might think because of how well Wii sold. The core buyer of Nintendo home consoles is much closer to the number of people who bought the Gamecube than the number of people who bought Wii. And the Wii U is selling accordingly.

What Nintendo have failed to do so far (and maybe Wii Fit U might change all that) is convince its blue ocean consumer base to hop on over from Wii to Wii U. Those people have either stopped playing Wii and are not likely to buy any nexgen console, or they are still playing their Wii but not actively buying games so feel no need to look at replacing hardware because they are still having plenty of fun with what they have, or they are half of a 2 console owning household (Mum and little'uns use the Wii, teens and Dad use PS3/360, like some of my friends) and the half that's getting the nexgen console is the PS360 playing half.

I also think Pachter is correct when he says a lot of the late gen PS3/360 buyers are early gen Wii buyers, and many of them are of course not going to buy a Wii U soon after buying a PS3/360. They may buy Wii U in a few years, or they may have decided to stick with the next Sony or MS platform. Many of people in that category of Wii buyer are former PS2 owners, so they have no bankable loyalty to Nintendo platforms.

The Wii situation is unlike the PS3 situation, and unlike the 360 situation (pre-Kinect). What drove PS3and 360 sales was dominated by the gamer deographic rather than the blue ocean. The gamer demographic is a smaller number of people than the blue ocean, but they are far more reliable as nexgen buyers, and indeed early gen buyers.

This is the mistake most people predicting multi-generation Nintendo dominance made by looking at the toal Wii sales. They assumed everyone buying Wii was a gamer at heart, when too many of them were non-gamers hypnotised by motion controls and fitness apps; which is a very hard group of people to convince to shell out money on another console now that they are out of their hypnotic trance.

Sony and Microsoft won't have a problem with games releasing on the PS4 and Xbox One, they have third and first party support.

For Sony, they're letting the Vita die a slow and quiet death while they support the PS4. Infamous releases early next year, The Order 1866, whatever that Media Molecule game is, and the games that Naughty Dog and Sony Santa Monica are working on, along with whatever the multiple devs of Japan studios are working on.

Third party games that are already announced for next year are games like Mirror's Edge 2, The Division, Destiny, The Crew, and unannounced titles we're expected to see in a few months. Also don't forget indie, indie, indie, indie that Sony keeps spouting like most of us will even care.

Mcrosoft has Halo and third party.

This is about games.

Ryse, forza 5, killer instinct and project spark are all available at launchand all getting great praise on latest builds. Hardly backing the op at all. Titanfall is spring and will sell a ton load. Then theres halo5, quantum break, zoo tycoon and black tusks game releasing within its first year.

Completely contradicting the ops point. Microsoft have gone way outside their laurels this time. Providing more exclusive genres than both sony and nintendo in their first year in the new generation. I think this will build and build xbox one sales in its first year to be the number 1 selling console worldwide by xmas 2014.

What about such games as "The Wonderful 101 & Bayonetta 2 & Sonic Lost World & Mario Kart 8 & Sonic (working title) & Rhythm Thief 2 & Scribblenauts Unmasked & ZombiU 2 & etc.?

Dont these games derserve to be put on the same mantel.

Ryse - 1.5 million

forza 5 - 4 million at best

killer instinct- it's free to play so we don't really have much idea how much of a hardware mover this can be

project spark -  gonna sell aprox. the same ammount as Kodu Game Lab, which in total ammount of sales, is closer to zero than 1 million.

Then there's the rest, when it finally comes out someday, just like every other console manufacturer. Wii U's first year was not brilliant, but do not forget all the great games coming out this fall are included on the Wii U's first year line up.