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Is this the so called secret sauce?

I thought it was going to be a real sauce. Imagine playing the Xbox One while making some burgers and then... the Xbox One activates the secret sauce and sprinkles it on the burgers. The ultimate play experience.



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ShinmenTakezo said:
Zappykins said:
Aaaaand feathers get ruffled.

Yes, it does look like the Xbox One's CPU and co-processors are significantly more powerful. DirectX 11.2 is a powerful refined piece of software. For some reason you can't say this, but you can say the reverse about the GPU and nobody bats an eye.

But, hey, looks like some people got themselves banned with their ranting. Hope they take a walk, get some ice cream or a cup of tea and cool off.

Tech talk shouldn't make people so upset.

PS Kinect is Awesome!

The reason you can't say this is because it has been proven time and time again that what you wrote is completely false. How do you know if the One's co-proccessors are more powerful at all, let alone significantly more powerful? There is no proof to your claim. The One's CPU has been upclocked, yet we don't know what the PS4 CPU is closked at, so again, where is your proof? OpenGl is a powerful refined piece of software, so what?

The reason people say the PS4 GPU is more powerful is because it is true and there is a crap load of evidence that backs it up.

For some reason when you expose the truth xbox one loyalists cry foul, claim misinfo and FUD, and make up imaginary numbers and spew lies about how the One is more powerful. It's pretty pathetic and makes them look a little on the insane side. Maybe obsessive instead of insane. No matter, it looks friggin pitiful.

Well Xbox fanboys are fanboys after all.  Thus they feel there is no other option but the Xbox One (Though there are many, many alternatives), and that option is the most exspensive and weakest.  It's natural they keep clawing for justification besides the obvious fact that half of the cost is the camera...

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Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

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OLD QUOTE FROM MN: "I get a ton of hate for saying this—but it’s been the same EVERY generation," he continued. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on our system looked the same or better. "I’m not saying they haven’t built a good system—I’m merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years..."

My take yes sony has higher numbers within their machine by the looks of it,but like MN said if the power difference is actually that big microsoft will solve it.
Whatever happens microsoft has enough up its sleeve if it aint something actually innovative like cloud and kinect, it will be THEM AWESOME GAMEZ (with the best multiplayer around) period!



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Nidan said:

Many discussion on the internet are about the GPU and how PS4 has a more powerful GPU than the Xbone, while this maybe true MS has other competing factors which will help make the games better.

Firstly, consider that the CPU bandwidth on the Xbone is 30Gb/s where the CPU bandwidth on the PS4 is 20Gb/s. The additional bandwidth here allows more data to be transferred between the CPU and the Memory faster.

Secondly consider the CPU clock for the Xbone is almost 10% higher than the rumoured clock for the PS4, This 10% addition can have a massive impact on the game itself.

For the last generation developers have been trying to get a handle on splitting sections of the game to be processed on different cores, trying to take advantage of the multi core set-ups found in modern day consoles. Although some have done this well, we cant escape the fact that the main loop cannot be split that efficiently, the result of having a clock 10% higher allows the main loop to process 10% more data than the PS4.

Just think



  • If the developer uses one core for Main code, then the Xbone will be able to handle 10% more main code tasks than the PS4, which will add to game play.

  • If the developer uses one core for AI, then the Xbone will be able to handle 10% more AI tasks than the PS4, which will add to game play.

  • If the developer uses one core for physics, then the Xbone will be able to handle 10% more physics tasks than the PS4, which will add to game play.

See the pattern here?

 

Now Obviously the PS4 can offload some tasks to the GPU ( although the CPU bandwidth is 50% less than the Xbone), but this reduces the advantage that the PS4 has over the Xbone, and it reduces the processing power available for the graphics.

 

The Xbone also has a larger / more comprehensive Audio engine and Is capable of producing high quality multiple channel audio, the PS4 also has an audio engine, however even Cerny has stated that he can see future games using some of the GPU processing to allow better audio. If this did occur, the percentage of GPU available for the graphics will also take a hit.

 

The Xbone also has the advantage of full Direct X 11.2, which for those that are not aware allows developers the ability to access the graphics pipeline at any point, to remove or add. With the Xbone's Special source processors the GPU tasks can be offloaded and sent to a specialised compute engine, processed and then returned into the graphics pipeline.

 

The processing power numbers people are throwing around do not include the additional compute engines, or the ability to send back the CPU(30mb/s) for other( different processing). Most developers are not used to this thinking and it will take a few years for them to work out the best way to use these processors.

 

Overall, the Xbone one looks to be the more refined system designed to produce less bottlenecks. The secret sauce of the Xbone needs developers to understand how to use it to get maximum benefit. This plays into what 3rd party developers are saying, i.e. that the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbone. This stands to be true considering that many will not be using the secret sauce and are doing direct ports.

 

Moreover it stands to reason that MS marketing regarding 2nd and 3rd year games being better could be justified due to more developers using and understanding the secret sauce.

 

People have also been discussing memory bandwidth, and while 8GB GDDR5 is great for gaming its not so good for CPU tasks. Cerny gave a talk discussing the benefits of different memory architectures, he explain there were a huge number of benefits of using on-board ram like the Xbone and Wii uses, but then went on to clarify that using this would mean that it creates a problem that would have to be solved by software, hence they used gddr5. Microsoft rather, as they are a software company solves these issues and as demonstrated with the DirectX 11.2 demos can stream more than enough textures to the display nulling any comments about GDDR5 being able to do it better.

http://www.pcgamesn.com/directx-112-will-combine-gpu-and-system-ram-super-textures-exclusive-windows-81

 

While over the next few months more will come to light about the different designs the Xbone is no way out of the race.

 

Nidan


These daily articles provide a good chuckle but they are becoming monotonous! Same shit different day. I suppose all the developers who claim contrary to this article are stupid???

x180 will always have secret sauce, if its not DGPU, it'll be the phantom cloud or the upclocks or the balanced system and so forth!



Zappykins said:
Aaaaand feathers get ruffled.

Yes, it does look like the Xbox One's CPU and co-processors are significantly more powerful. DirectX 11.2 is a powerful refined piece of software. For some reason you can't say this, but you can say the reverse about the GPU and nobody bats an eye.

But, hey, looks like some people got themselves banned with their ranting. Hope they take a walk, get some ice cream or a cup of tea and cool off.

Tech talk shouldn't make people so upset.

PS Kinect is Awesome!

Zappykins can you provide the evidence of the significantly more powerful CPU and co processors? Or which co processors are those? 

We can say the GPU in the PS4 is significantly more powerful by looking at the specs and comparing them. There is a reason why a Radeon 7790 is less powerful and expensive than a 7870.



ShinmenTakezo said:
Zappykins said:
Aaaaand feathers get ruffled.

Yes, it does look like the Xbox One's CPU and co-processors are significantly more powerful. DirectX 11.2 is a powerful refined piece of software. For some reason you can't say this, but you can say the reverse about the GPU and nobody bats an eye.

But, hey, looks like some people got themselves banned with their ranting. Hope they take a walk, get some ice cream or a cup of tea and cool off.

Tech talk shouldn't make people so upset.

PS Kinect is Awesome!

The reason you can't say this is because it has been proven time and time again that what you wrote is completely false. How do you know if the One's co-proccessors are more powerful at all, let alone significantly more powerful? There is no proof to your claim. The One's CPU has been upclocked, yet we don't know what the PS4 CPU is closked at, so again, where is your proof? OpenGl is a powerful refined piece of software, so what?

The reason people say the PS4 GPU is more powerful is because it is true and there is a crap load of evidence that backs it up.

For some reason when you expose the truth xbox one loyalists cry foul, claim misinfo and FUD, and make up imaginary numbers and spew lies about how the One is more powerful. It's pretty pathetic and makes them look a little on the insane side. Maybe obsessive instead of insane. No matter, it looks friggin pitiful.

Easy, look at the Hot Chips conference and look at what Sony is saying.  It's pretty clear Microsoft added more than a dozen neat extra processors, and there are several more that we do not know what they do.  This is a risky move, but the smart making DirectX seem to have been to integrated it into the software so the developers can use it easily. Please show me exactly where my claims have been proven false with evidence.

I don't know why people that don't want to learn about the strengths of the new Xbox One continue to clink on their thread and make claims that have no interest and make them seemingly upset.   Then they go on to rant about loyalist and all sorts of rambling. It's rather strange.

They even go so far as call them 'a little on the insane side.' Forgetting that, when one point figures, but they forget that when you point a finger at someone, three are pointing back at you.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Frequency said:
Zappykins said:
Aaaaand feathers get ruffled.

Yes, it does look like the Xbox One's CPU and co-processors are significantly more powerful. DirectX 11.2 is a powerful refined piece of software. For some reason you can't say this, but you can say the reverse about the GPU and nobody bats an eye.

But, hey, looks like some people got themselves banned with their ranting. Hope they take a walk, get some ice cream or a cup of tea and cool off.

Tech talk shouldn't make people so upset.

PS Kinect is Awesome!

You egg people on to argue over these sorts of things from what I can see, if we take this very post for example, your opening line is obviously a crack at playstation fans, your next line in defence of the topic despite no real evidence from anyone to support any of the claims made on either end of the loyalty spectrum.

And then you finish up by adding something completely abitrary and irrelivant to the argument hoping to get a rise out of someone.

This is a day one xbox one owner telling you this, for the record, it doesn't matter to me which console is more powerful as i will be getting both on launch day, but it clearly matters to you, you might want to think about that before dispensing your cool off advice.

You mad bro?

Are you writing a thesis on my writing style?  That would be I'm sure enlightening.  What other interpretations are there going to be?  A critique of alliteration, or perhaps and analysts where I combine the traditional Greek muses as an allegory (did use traffic patterns to explain flow once)?  It sounds absolutely fascinating. May I please get a copy? 

Congratulations on your future new console.  I hope you are really happy with it.  What games are you getting?

And you will get to see for yourself, if you don't already know, that Kinect is Awesome!



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

Ashadian said:
Zappykins said:
Aaaaand feathers get ruffled.

Yes, it does look like the Xbox One's CPU and co-processors are significantly more powerful. DirectX 11.2 is a powerful refined piece of software. For some reason you can't say this, but you can say the reverse about the GPU and nobody bats an eye.

But, hey, looks like some people got themselves banned with their ranting. Hope they take a walk, get some ice cream or a cup of tea and cool off.

Tech talk shouldn't make people so upset.

PS Kinect is Awesome!

Zappykins can you provide the evidence of the significantly more powerful CPU and co processors? Or which co processors are those? 

We can say the GPU in the PS4 is significantly more powerful by looking at the specs and comparing them. There is a reason why a Radeon 7790 is less powerful and expensive than a 7870.

CPUs are the same, except Xbox One has a higher clock, 1.75 GHz, the PS4 [probably] has 1.6 GHz, but technically Sony hasn't announced that yet.  MS has commented on that though.  

The Xbox One does have co processors, though I don't think they'll make a massive difference, you can even ask ethomaz about the coprocessors on the Xbox One.  15 in all, though it is hard to say how much influence they will have on games, especially in the long term.  The PS4 will have an advantage, but it is hard to say how big it is.