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SvennoJ said:

Yes I'm going for convenience too. With pc I always spend a lot of extra time in the settings to get it to run nice. Plus a keyboard on the armrest, mouse on a side table, and a wired controller isn't exactly convenient.

Today I got an automated call from my ISP, suspicious activity has been detected on your account, take action within 48 hours or your internet may be suspended. Calling them they could only tell me that their network picked up something that could be related to the ZeroAccess Trojan. A Windows 32/64 bit rootkit that's a pain in the ass to remove, no clue how that got past the virus scanners and malware protection. So far a full scan on all pc's and laptops has no result yet, thanks windows os.


I havent had a virus/maleware/spyware for years.

All you need is Eset Nod32 (Written in machine code, so it's fast.), Firefox with AdBlock Plus! and some common sense and you will be free from such hassles.

SvennoJ said:

PC's are still useful for the simulation side of games, Tropico, Cities in motion, Universe sandbox, Euro truck sim, stuff you can't get on consoles. Otherwise consoles are much more convenient. But I miss the old days too.  I recently bought Rayman Legends for the WiiU, pop in disc and play? Nuh uh, system update, download game update. It was a wonder the shaky wifi in the wiiU held on long enough for the update.


Don't forget Real Time Strategy games (StarCraft, Planetary Annihilation etc'.), Turn-Based Strategy Games (Civilisation, Heroes of Might and Magic etc') and Indie (Massive choice), Multi-Platforms (Which look and perform far better.) as well as mods like Feed The Beast/Tekkit for Minecraft or DayZ for Arma, literally adds hundreds of hours to a game, with no cost.
Heck, entire new game franchises have spawned from mods, like Left 4 Dead.

You have a far larger choice of games on the PC too, arguably, something for everyone, several decades worth of game releases does that to a platform.
If you like the TV and controller, then you have choice with that too, set up voice recognition, Steam+Big picture mode and a wireless Xbox/Playstation controller and you're set.

Plus over the long term you also save money with the PC even accounting for the initial and long term hardware costs, games are far cheaper (Never bought one at full price, ever!), free online and Steam is more convenient in that it updates all your games automagically in the background, rather than having to deal with it when you play a game. - Literally just click and play.




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Pemalite said:

I havent had a virus/maleware/spyware for years.

All you need is Eset Nod32 (Written in machine code, so it's fast.), Firefox with AdBlock Plus! and some common sense and you will be free from such hassles.



Don't forget Real Time Strategy games (StarCraft, Planetary Annihilation etc'.), Turn-Based Strategy Games (Civilisation, Heroes of Might and Magic etc') and Indie (Massive choice), Multi-Platforms (Which look and perform far better.) as well as mods like Feed The Beast/Tekkit for Minecraft or DayZ for Arma, literally adds hundreds of hours to a game, with no cost.
Heck, entire new game franchises have spawned from mods, like Left 4 Dead.

You have a far larger choice of games on the PC too, arguably, something for everyone, several decades worth of game releases does that to a platform.
If you like the TV and controller, then you have choice with that too, set up voice recognition, Steam+Big picture mode and a wireless Xbox/Playstation controller and you're set.

Plus over the long term you also save money with the PC even accounting for the initial and long term hardware costs, games are far cheaper (Never bought one at full price, ever!), free online and Steam is more convenient in that it updates all your games automagically in the background, rather than having to deal with it when you play a game. - Literally just click and play.

Since I trade in a lot of games the saving money argument with pc is not always true. Steam is convenient but after buying a new laptop I now have to budget which games I install per month due to annoying bandwidth cap. It's click, have a lot of patience, then play. First download for a long time, then install directx, update drivers, couple more install steps. Then if you don't have the latest gpu find a good balance between performance and looks, which you usually have to adjust a couple of times during play. And several times now Steam prompted me it has to convert local game files for an update, I click go ahead, and it times out with a no connection error. No play. Couple days later it worked, not convenient at all.

So I use pc mostly for indie games and play the big games on consoles, costs less time and bandwidth, plus money back for the next game if it doesn't turn out to be a keeper.

Anyway I haven't had a virus either in years, and still haven't according to my virus scanner. Maybe my isp is wrong. I've downloaded trend micro free scan which is running now, nothing found yet. I can give Eset Nod32 a trial run next. Frustrating.



They are underpowered if you compare them to pricey PCs - where is the news? The new consoles outperform the current gen easily, this is what counts. Who cares for PC?



walsufnir said:
They are underpowered if you compare them to pricey PCs - where is the news? The new consoles outperform the current gen easily, this is what counts. Who cares for PC?

Pretty much this^



I'll just repost what I said earlier in another thread...

to me its the fact that consoles are becoming less and less consoles and more and more crappy PCs , to me a console's main feature is that you buy a game and it works out of the box instantly , now it just doesn't work, you have to install and then update it, and then put on some code for online, and after playing it , it almost always have poor framerates and looks very crappy and unoptimized (unless it is exclusive) , for PC you just download it on Steam real cheap and after it finishes you will play it, the update processes aren't as much annoying as they are on Consoles, and the games run a lot better, the way they are meant to run.

this is really ironic because in the past PC games were a pain to run and had all the flaws of needing patches and drivers and whatnot and Console games were only Disk based games that work right out of the box, consoles need less "Me too!" PC games and more console friendly games

There is hope for PS4/Xbox One/ Wii U that their services can catch up with Steam's ease of use but I highly doubt it,

Steam has free online, cheaper games, easier to use (ironically) , easier to buy, no region locking, no need to update backlog all the time (like PSOne classics and what not) , no adverts, easy to use voice/text chat functionality , all in all its a better service than all console ones
This is also why I prefer Handhelds over consoles recently, handhelds haven't reached the stigma of "Always online/PC-Like experience" thing that consoles have now reached and I can just play the games that are made for handhelds from the get go.



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JOKA_ said:


Example:
I installed Battlefield 3 last night. I went to play an online match, which involved me pressing the play button in Origin, which took me to a webpage that let me pick a server, which then launched the game client. But I kept getting kicked because PunkBuster (3rd party software that is integrated into the game) was not up to date, so I had to leave the game, go the the PunkBuster website and download the installer so that I could patch it up. Then I finally got to play a match.

On the PS4/X1 its going to go:
Put disc in system, press start button, start playing match.

This is EA's fault, and the terrible decision to implement some sort of browser integration into their matchmaking system.

They had to do that because Origin is so horrifically bad. No game on steam or any other games platform on PC has that complicated of a process



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okr said:
"Both consoles have about as much raw computing power as a reasonably fast desktop PC and are, for all intents and purposes, ordinary PCs in fancy boxes"

Very true.


We will see wery soon that it's not at all true, expecially the "ordinary PCs in fancy boxes part" is false. These are machines that use modified PC hardware and the modifications are aimed at making these excusively game playing machines - i.e. the machine architecture itself is optimised for games (I'm not talking about the discrete components of the machine but how they comunicate with each other) - these are no PCs that do that. Plus these deidcated gaming machines will GREATLY benefit from the fixed hardware that will allow for far better optimisations, again something that a PC will not receive. This will make these machines puch MUCH above their aparent weight.



SvennoJ said:

Since I trade in a lot of games the saving money argument with pc is not always true. Steam is convenient but after buying a new laptop I now have to budget which games I install per month due to annoying bandwidth cap. It's click, have a lot of patience, then play. First download for a long time, then install directx, update drivers, couple more install steps. Then if you don't have the latest gpu find a good balance between performance and looks, which you usually have to adjust a couple of times during play. And several times now Steam prompted me it has to convert local game files for an update, I click go ahead, and it times out with a no connection error. No play. Couple days later it worked, not convenient at all.

So I use pc mostly for indie games and play the big games on consoles, costs less time and bandwidth, plus money back for the next game if it doesn't turn out to be a keeper.

Anyway I haven't had a virus either in years, and still haven't according to my virus scanner. Maybe my isp is wrong. I've downloaded trend micro free scan which is running now, nothing found yet. I can give Eset Nod32 a trial run next. Frustrating.


Don't get me started on bandwidth caps, it's the bane of all Australians.
Luckily my Internet provider provides completely unlimited Steam and Xbox Live downloads, so it never counts as my usage. :)
However, to me it sounds like your ISP isn't exactly gamer oriented or providing good value, maybe time to change providers? It's not really a PC centric issue anyway, the future is digital distribution, regardless of platform, consoles will catch up eventually, maybe next generation.

As for trading games, you don't really gain anything out of it, the amount of money you loose during everytime you trade a game is essentially a Steam game, or... Mirrors Edge+Battlefield 3+Burnout Paradise+Crysis 2+Dead Space+Medal of Honor+Sims 3+Command and Conquer and Populas during the EA Humble bundle which was about $5, which you also keep forever. :)

You are also making the PC seem more trouble than it really is, today out side of maybe... A couple of games, you can run everything on a 4 year old high-end GPU (Radeon 5870) at 1920x1080 with everything on max, nor do you need to update your drivers every time you play a game, often I might run with drivers several months old, I'm running Triple Radeon's in Eyefinity, if there really were massive issues, I would be the first to know due to having a relatively complex set-up.
Steam will also automatically Install Direct X and Visual Basic Runtime, you don't have to click anything to manually start that process and it only needs to be done once for that particular game.

As for Steam converting data, it does that from time to time, generally for games you downloaded a fairly long time ago and mostly for various reasons, it's a painless exercise and doesn't take that long on my Raid drives, I've never had the time out issue, so I would place it down to your ISP or your particular PC.

I essentially have a completely utterly trouble free PC gaming experience, certainly nothing like you have proclaimed at any rate.

ithis said:

i.e. the machine architecture itself is optimised for games (I'm not talking about the discrete components of the machine but how they comunicate with each other) - these are no PCs that do that. Plus these deidcated gaming machines will GREATLY benefit from the fixed hardware that will allow for far better optimisations, again something that a PC will not receive. This will make these machines puch MUCH above their aparent weight.

I disagree with your opinion.
If anything, the consoles will have less of an optimisation advantage over comparable PC's. Why? Because it's architecture even right down to the CPU's instructions is essentially the same, developers this time around can assume from a hardware feature standpoint... Is Identical, thus they will be using abstraction layers for several years at-least. (Then they will start getting down into the metal.)
Of course you get a little bloat due to Windows, but that's made up for by the several Teraflops performance advantage.

Now, if you want to look at optimisations, just take a look at the origional Crysis.
The PC version would run on max settings with the Direct X 9 path on hardware comparable to the consoles, yet the console version looked like utter crap in comparison.

Grab any Call of Duty game, it looked and ran better on PC's even if you are stuck with a Core 2 Duo and Geforce 7950, it just didn't push the hardware.

However, most Multi-platforms implemented improvements over their console counterparts, we are talking multiples higher resolution textures, with better Anti-Aliasing (No Morphological in my house, folks!), higher Anisotropic Filtering, better lighting and shadows, better framerates and higher resolutions and even things like HBAO/SSAO and Tessellation, those kinds of improvements don't come free, hence why the PC needs better hardware compared to consoles.
Take Battlefield 3 for instance, it's almost half the game on the consoles from a graphics (And player count! :P) point of view.




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Pretty much stating the obvious. As mentioned by others exclusive and simplicity is why people buy consoles. For some like myself consoles are a break from the PC. This might seem strange to some but to me it applies.

I built a PC for gaming but eventually lost interest. After spending all day at the office sitting in front of a PC I really didn't want to be constantly using one at home. PC is work and communication. Doing sports, going out and console are fun. As I said it's a personal thing. If I worked on a building site maybe I would have a different outlook.

All the games that interest me are on consoles. All the games I like are rarely on the PC. To me the power factor is a "nothing of significance".



Well. lets be honest... its true.

But, thats also the only way the market will aceept them, because otherwise they would be too expensive and wouldnt have the installed base to support the costly software productions.

But alas, the point of the article is to be sensationalist.