The other day someone here nailed it perfectly: PS4 is cheaper.

If the PS4 was the one costing $100 extra, our brains would be ok labeling it the premium graphics machine. The tables are turned though. PS4 having the premium graphics while having a bargain price just doesn't mesh with our perception of value. PlayStation 4 fans think is really cool and don't want this belief in premium graphics taken away from them. This is also why it's so important for most xbox one fans to believe the difference doesn't exist, or with the dGPU favors the xbox one. They are paying a premium and want to feel that they're getting premium graphics too.

It's like the perfect recipe for console warz.

PS. Diminishing returns don't exist here. Next gen, even wii u, will make the best games of today look very very bad.

Whilst I know where you're coming from, some of us on here have a genuine interest in the tech. Oddly, considering we're talking about consoles, I think most of the guys genuinely interested in the tech are PC gamers. Most of the tech in the consoles comes from AMD so it's actually quite interesting to see how Sony and MS have leveraged the hardware.

ps4 has the better capabilities graphics wise and the microsoft camp is just gonna get that rubbed in the face 24/7.

then people will move on. Do you still see people debating how good vita is over the 3ds ?

The power is important but only if developers are willing to use it

Yeah, not sure why people are so upset one way or the other. The games are what matters.

We all know that the XB1 is the most powerful, we can stop arguing now.

So the point is, we shouldn't compare the Xbox One and the Ps4 because they're too similar and at the end of the day we should only focus on games, and then we shouldn't compare WiiU to the other two because it isn't fair?

It is not fair, but what people demand is graphics. They'll agressively point out facts or mere polygons that contribute to their vision and to what they want, which is graphics. Why do you think the WiiU sells poorly, yet PS4's preorders are already up a million? Because people don't demand creativeness, they demand graphic power.

It's self-reassurance on both sides that they're getting the most bang for their buck. It's also a desire to see their choice win in the end because they translate that to meaning more for them and they want to help make it happen by convincing people that they'll get more out of this platform than that one. In the end it's silly because years from now the argument won't be centered on how the games look because they'll both be staring at the PC's ass from way ahead of them. Instead it will be about everything else like features, total number of exclusives, online reliability, and who has the better OS. After about 5 years of that no one will really care and it will be all about personal preference. Gamers will be gamers again instead of the drooling, snarling monstrosities a new console war turns them into.

Halo 4 was beautiful. The Last of Us was beautiful. BioShock Infinite was beautiful. By the time these games came out it mattered only to the most petty and extreme of fanboys which looked better or which was the better version. Remember when Lair was "only possible on PlayStation 3"? Go look at that game now and tell me that the Xbox 360 wouldn't be able to pull it off. Graphics are most definitely important. Too many people try to downplay how important they are. After all, if I want to immerse myself into an experience I can't get that by firing up Super Mario Bros 2 or the original Twisted Metal or even Knights of the Old Republic. However, there comes a point where people realize that the graphics, after achieving a certain height, become entirely secondary to gameplay and all of this bickering will really just serve as a future reminder how stupid and little we so easily become.

DS pissing all over PSP says something to you ?

Wii market leader in the past gen rings any bells ?

What about 3DS vs the NEXT GEN PORTABLE?

Hey, Gamecube sold a lot more than PS2 too. And N64?? It totally dominated ps1.

Dude. Just stop embarrasing yourself. Hardcore gaming nerds that lurk on forums MAY want graphic power. And if they are really serious about it, they will get a PC because "next gen consoles", are already outdated by PC standards, son.

While the hardware is really similar, the software, controller, operating systems and way you interact with the consoles are the big differences.

I have Kinect now. And it's more than just neat, it's useful, helpful and now what I expect as the norm. When I was at my friends house last year, and she told me to find a specific thing to we were going to stream on her Roko while she set up our food. I was surprise how normal I felt to talk to my console. Egads, not with the Roku, I actually had to look at the little remote, type in (which is awful on the remote) in each app until I found where we could watch it. It was tedious and annoying.

Not being able to talk to your TV/Console was already 'in the past' for me. Like using a typewriter, why do that when you have a word processor? There is no joy in retyping an entire page, when you can just fix your error and re print it. It seemed antiquated and a bit barbaric.

If Microsoft can really pull this new Natural User Interface off they have been working on, it will really be something. The New Xbox One is part of that. If works like it has been shown, it will be as big or bigger than the creation of Graphical User Interfaces like Windows (First by Xerox, by the way.) And that computer in the movie Iron Man will be closer to the reality for everyone, not just billionaires.

The relentless arguing over hardware, especially from people with a very limited understanding of programming, seems like all they have. Few of us hear have even played a game on next gen, fewer still both. I don’t know anyone that can play hardware.

We are witnessing the evolution of a new interaction system. Arguing against innovation, reminds me of the people screaming about the combustion engine should not be allowed because it might scare the horses. How often now do we see horses on roads? And I have never seen one of the freeways.

The fact that you highlight Gamecube (wait a second, Gamecube sold better than the best-selling console of all time?) and N64 just proves my point. Do you know why it was called Nintendo 64?

I'll give you the Wii one, though.