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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Major Nelson on X1 Power: "I can't wait for the truth to come out."

Max King of the Wild said:
I can't wait too. They talk about how great their engineers are but fail to talk about the RRoD issue, lack of HDD on launch models and an add on for HD-DVD. Directx existed when the 360 came out too yet their games fell behind Sony's in terms of graphics

Yeah, I do not see Sony talking about 2 generations with Disk Drive issues for the PS1 and 2 or the YLOD issue with the PS3. Reducing the original PS3 from having full BC to none, Removing all the additional USB and other ports, removing having other OS etc. That crap is in the past and so is the RROD, it was fixed just like any defect.  Also, just to stay on point MS was talking about Software developers not hardware.  When you consider graphics do you only see how pretty a scene is or the complexity of what’s is shone.  A game like Assassin creed looks better than Uncharted in my opinion because of the complexity of the scene then how pretty everything looks within a box.



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Isn't this the same guy who verbally chastised a video game journalist in an interview after E3 that DRM was built into the X1 from its inception and MS couldn't simply "flip a switch" and remove it...then a week later MS indeed 'flipped the switch' and removed it?  Why should we believe anything that comes out of this MS spin doctor's mouth?



BenVTrigger said:
Personally I think the whole 2nd GPU thing is crazy talk but I wouldn't be surprised if the overall architecture isnt built solidly enough to have great real world results.

TBH multiplat difference in graphics will be not that big a difference at all.

This makes sense. The co-processors will likely free up the CPU and GPU somewhat with development tools designed to make using them as easy as possible. We still don't have full information on all the co-processors making me think they're some proprietary tech.



They used to say how power doesn't matter, but now they seem to be talking about it a lot.



joeorc said:
pokoko said:
I doubt there is anything to it other than trying to shift perception. That's his job, after all. I don't understand why they would be trying to hide anything at this point. It's not like Sony is going to redesign the PS4. If they had better hardware than people thought, wouldn't they be advertising it? They've certainly been letting people know about the increase in clock speeds. There is no gain in saying, "ha, we fooled you by making you think it was weak." Wouldn't that be a way to actually lose sales?

It's likely just spin, for the most part.

 “there’s no way” they’re giving up a 30% graphical advantage to the PS4"

why not say  “there’s no way” we are giving up  even 5% or for that matter no % what so ever a graphical advantage at all for over the xboxone at all in favor of the PS4?

You are missing the context of where this comment was stated.  it was stated in Neograf and the MS guy Albert was disproving the threads that states the X1 is 30 to 50% less powerfull than the PS4.  Context is king in understanding why something is stated that way people do not take a comment out of context and come to the wrong decision.



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At the end of the day you can say how much more powerful A console is over B, but i can guarantee the games will look the bloody same on both consoles. Multiplats will look even more similar than last gen, and it will be even harder to tell what exclusives look better than last gen. If you really think the Ps4 will be this beast of a console that has unmatched power, your going to be very disappointed.



Max King of the Wild said:
I can't wait too. They talk about how great their engineers are but fail to talk about the RRoD issue, lack of HDD on launch models and an add on for HD-DVD. Directx existed when the 360 came out too yet their games fell behind Sony's in terms of graphics

The majority of multplatform games performed and looked better on the 360, also Halo 4 won a shot load of Graphics awards including best Graphics at the VGA's last year.



smroadkill15 said:
At the end of the day you can say how much more powerful A console is over B, but i can guarantee the games will look the bloody same on both consoles. Multiplats will look even more similar than last gen, and it will be even harder to tell what exclusives look better than last gen. If you really think the Ps4 will be this beast of a console that has unmatched power, your going to be very disappointed.

Bullshizzle.

Just admit you don't know what you're talking about. It's up for debate how big the difference will be, but for pete's sake it's much bigger than the PS360 difference.



Machiavellian said:
joeorc said:
pokoko said:
I doubt there is anything to it other than trying to shift perception. That's his job, after all. I don't understand why they would be trying to hide anything at this point. It's not like Sony is going to redesign the PS4. If they had better hardware than people thought, wouldn't they be advertising it? They've certainly been letting people know about the increase in clock speeds. There is no gain in saying, "ha, we fooled you by making you think it was weak." Wouldn't that be a way to actually lose sales?

It's likely just spin, for the most part.

 “there’s no way” they’re giving up a 30% graphical advantage to the PS4"

why not say  “there’s no way” we are giving up  even 5% or for that matter no % what so ever a graphical advantage at all for over the xboxone at all in favor of the PS4?

You are missing the context of where this comment was stated.  it was stated in Neograf and the MS guy Albert was disproving the threads that states the X1 is 30 to 50% less powerfull than the PS4.  Context is king in understanding why something is stated that way people do not take a comment out of context and come to the wrong decision.


context is one thing, by why list a % at all, because Sony never stated a % All Sony 's Mark Cerny stated was that sony built the most powerful console to date. the point is he stated.

 “there’s no way” they’re giving up a 30% graphical advantage to the PS4"

that's the point he could have bypassed the % and just stated were not giving up any graphical advantage to the PS4!

Sony's Mark Cerny stated that , we made the most powerful Console to date, and yet both Nintendo and Microsoft has not disputed such claim!



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Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Machiavellian said:
DD_Bwest said:
whats the point of having hidden specs and a secret processor. why hide it now? sony cant really change anything, they already have warehouses filled with systems built. If MS had anything that was actually more powerful they would be shouting it as loud as they can. Like cloud...

So people will not keep asking questions like this lets talk about why its suppose to be a secrete as far as the rumor is concerned.  There is a NDA, meaning non disclosure agreement that prevents MS from saying anything about the rumored discrete graphics chip within the X1.  So for people who keep asking the question why would MS bla bla, its because they cannot until after Sept 29th.

Now thats the rumor whether any of it is true is left to speculation but for people who continue to say MS would tell the world why they have the most powerful hardware if the rumor is true thats the reason.

There is nothing within Larry or anyone from MS words that make you believe there is such a part in the X1.  Instead it sounds like what many developers that are working on both systems have stated.  The difference between both systems are small.


MS put up the NDA but MS can talk freely about the X1 but everybody else outside of MS - developer, harware manufacture etc - have to keep their mouths shut. At this point MS have no advantage by keeping specs info quiet. PS4 is already in mass production