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superchunk on 28 August 2013

If they add them back, it will be with a new console in some form or limited to only digital content.

But the big pull to do it at all was because ALL content was going to be treated as digital and therefor far more profitable to them. Otherwise those sharing policies are just a drain on their bottom line.

However, obviously the great amount of negative feedback proved that those policies would of in fact created a scenario where Xbone would have failed massively and therefore caused a major drain on their bottom line.



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Zappykins on 29 August 2013
tres said:
Zappykins said:
 

I hope you get one my friend. 

Without the Blu-ray, and with smaller manufacturing in a couple of years, I wouldn't be surprised if it could be about half the size. Like about as wide as a Kinect, but just as long as the device is now. 

I didn't realize, but this could be something they actually make.  If GameStop (and others) could start selling digital vouchers, they could keep their retailers happy. And why not just at 2 terabyte drive while they are at it.  Instantly switch to all your games, as it is an all digital device.  I am really starting to like this idea.

Would you want a white Kinect too? or is Black Ok?

Or would you rather have a LE Halo 6 Xbox One in whatever colours and designs that game ends up being?

the disk was a good idea for quick installs.  maybe sell a cheap bluray drive for people that want to install faster.

Well, the thing is, I do not have the fastest internet speed, but I bet right now it's quicker to download a game, than get into my car, drive up to gamestop, park, buy the game, and drive back.  Or at worse close to about the same for most game. 

Plus with the new systesm, you only need to download a little before you can start playing.  Then download the rest when you are asleep/at work, or possibly playing.  As internet speed get upgraded, I can see how it would be useful to just drop the disk.  But you would need to make sure the market understands, or you would have some mighty cranky people when friends bring over their disk based games.



 

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Zappykins on 29 August 2013
superchunk said:
If they add them back, it will be with a new console in some form or limited to only digital content.

But the big pull to do it at all was because ALL content was going to be treated as digital and therefor far more profitable to them. Otherwise those sharing policies are just a drain on their bottom line.

However, obviously the great amount of negative feedback proved that those policies would of in fact created a scenario where Xbone would have failed massively and therefore caused a major drain on their bottom line.

Would you explain to me why it would be cheaper for them if everything is all digital if people are still buying disk?  I'm not follow, more convienant to the consumer for the most part I understand, for like instant switching.  But in general, if people are still buying disk, I don't understand why it would be any less than it is now for Microsoft.

Without the disk I get it, but with it?  I'm not following.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!
DeadBigfoot21 on 29 August 2013

I dont care if they bring it back. Some of those features were innovative. My internet is always working so its not a problem for me. My xbox is connected online 99% of the time.



tres on 29 August 2013
Zappykins said:

Well, the thing is, I do not have the fastest internet speed, but I bet right now it's quicker to download a game, than get into my car, drive up to gamestop, park, buy the game, and drive back.  Or at worse close to about the same for most game. 

Plus with the new systesm, you only need to download a little before you can start playing.  Then download the rest when you are asleep/at work, or possibly playing.  As internet speed get upgraded, I can see how it would be useful to just drop the dick.  But you would need to make sure the market understands, or you would have some mighty cranky people when friends bring over their disk based games.


thats why they had it the way they did. faster to install.  also you can borrow or rent a disc install and buy digital or something of that nature



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Areym on 29 August 2013

Good to hear. The last thing we need are those abysmal policies sticking their heads outs again.



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Zappykins on 29 August 2013
tres said:
Zappykins said:

Well, the thing is, I do not have the fastest internet speed, but I bet right now it's quicker to download a game, than get into my car, drive up to gamestop, park, buy the game, and drive back.  Or at worse close to about the same for most game. 

Plus with the new systesm, you only need to download a little before you can start playing.  Then download the rest when you are asleep/at work, or possibly playing.  As internet speed get upgraded, I can see how it would be useful to just drop the disk.  But you would need to make sure the market understands, or you would have some mighty cranky people when friends bring over their disk based games.


thats why they had it the way they did. faster to install.  also you can borrow or rent a disc install and buy digital or something of that nature

Oh, We was talking about a possible console in the future.  A Mini-Slim Xbox One where they drop the Blu-ray and make a bigger hard drive and make it all digital.  I said they would need to make retail cards/vouchers for their games to keep the retails happy (like GameStop.)

It's cool isn't it, that you can play a game as it is downloading or installing.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!
tres on 29 August 2013
Zappykins said:
tres said:
Zappykins said:

Well, the thing is, I do not have the fastest internet speed, but I bet right now it's quicker to download a game, than get into my car, drive up to gamestop, park, buy the game, and drive back.  Or at worse close to about the same for most game. 

Plus with the new systesm, you only need to download a little before you can start playing.  Then download the rest when you are asleep/at work, or possibly playing.  As internet speed get upgraded, I can see how it would be useful to just drop the disk.  But you would need to make sure the market understands, or you would have some mighty cranky people when friends bring over their disk based games.


thats why they had it the way they did. faster to install.  also you can borrow or rent a disc install and buy digital or something of that nature

Oh, We was talking about a possible console in the future.  A Mini-Slim Xbox One where they drop the Blu-ray and make a bigger hard drive and make it all digital.  I said they would need to make retail cards/vouchers for their games to keep the retails happy (like GameStop.)

It's cool isn't it, that you can play a game as it is downloading or installing.

what about if they sould something like this http://www.bestbuy.com/site/PNY+-+Micro+Sleek+Attach%26%23233%3B+16GB+USB+Flash+Drive+-+Blue/5577173.p?id=1218665493458&skuId=5577173&st=Select_PNY_Flash_Drives_109114&cp=1&lp=1

that would upload the first 10gb of a game to the system.



endimion on 29 August 2013
Zappykins said:
endimion said:
well the people that had that issue have very little understanding of DRM in the first place.... it's the same that said sony has no DRM which is plain false... and that think the reverse policy means no DRM for XB just like sony does... which is also plain false... the DRM is just moved from one medium to an other....
and if third party want to lock resale they can on both consoles if they want to.... nothing has really changed... beside the inconvenience of going through specific retailers with the old XB policy.... everything else stayed absolutely the same for the customer.... just handled differently.... and with no return to devs....

Thanks!  I gave up trying to remind people DRM didn't go away, it just changed.  So if you buy a game on disk, it has to be in there - cause that is where the DRM is.

But does anyone know if there is still a region code in either a PS4 or Xbox One?  So can a USA one play all the movies from all around the world, or will it not play ones from Europe?

people still buy movies on discs ??? lol
well for DVDs it's a non issue by now people getting an XB1 probably have a DVD player already... and well for BR I have had one for 4 years free on my cable box... and I never bought a single BR... I rent or buy my movies in DD only now....

but good question for the one who cares... BR are gonna be the vinyls of the 21st century :)



superchunk on 29 August 2013
Zappykins said:
superchunk said:
If they add them back, it will be with a new console in some form or limited to only digital content.

But the big pull to do it at all was because ALL content was going to be treated as digital and therefor far more profitable to them. Otherwise those sharing policies are just a drain on their bottom line.

However, obviously the great amount of negative feedback proved that those policies would of in fact created a scenario where Xbone would have failed massively and therefore caused a major drain on their bottom line.

Would you explain to me why it would be cheaper for them if everything is all digital if people are still buying disk?  I'm not follow, more convienant to the consumer for the most part I understand, for like instant switching.  But in general, if people are still buying disk, I don't understand why it would be any less than it is now for Microsoft.

Without the disk I get it, but with it?  I'm not following.

Because its very likely to not have even been on a disc. If you read between the lines, it seemed like the original plan was to not really have data on discs, thus removing the bluray royalty fees. I felt like their descriptions all hinted to retail only having cases with some sort of download code or CDs at best with just IDs to download the game.