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curl-6 on 31 August 2013
Nyleveia said:
curl-6 said:
Nyleveia said:

1) Post history doesnt (or atleast, shouldnt) be a deciding factor on cause of bans

Yes, it should. If you repeat offend, the penalties should of course get more severe than if you just do it once.

theres a gaping wide difference between "should he be banned for this post" and "should we ban temporarilly or permanently based on ban history"
repeat offending is one thing but number of offences should not raise of lower the bar of what is deemed banable.

I think it's a matter of "if someone has bashed x company before, and they make another similar remark, we know from their history its not a joke".

Again though, you'd have to ask a mod. I'm not one.



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burninmylight on 31 August 2013
Nyleveia said:

1) Post history doesnt (or at least, shouldnt) be a deciding factor on the cause of bans, unless deciding between temp or permanent.

Since you like to use real world analogies, that's like saying repeated offenses shouldn't be a deciding factor on the penalties of criminals. We should keep letting people with DUIs get behind a wheel and predatorial sex offenders near schoools. You had an argument up until this post, then you completely lost me.



Nyleveia on 31 August 2013
burninmylight said:
Nyleveia said:

1) Post history doesnt (or at least, shouldnt) be a deciding factor on the cause of bans, unless deciding between temp or permanent.

Since you like to use real world analogies, that's like saying repeated offenses shouldn't be a deciding factor on the penalties of criminals. We should keep letting people with DUIs get behind a wheel and predatorial sex offenders near schoools. You had an argument up until this post, then you completely lost me.

note: "unless deciding between temp or permanent" - real world equiv - dui driver banned from driving for 3 years, gets caught again - license revoked, 10 year ban.

A more accurate analogy would be "should we breathalize someone who once got caught DUI, or treat them differently on the road than we did before". some would say yes, haul his ass in and test whenever you can, others would say, people make mistakes, and shouldnt be judged without further cause to do so.

I went and looked up the guys post history just now, and other than him being warned for, admittedly, stupidly saying "x game isnt next gen, sorry nintendo fanboys", none of the other posts were bad, and i, much like the person who moderated him, felt that was more of a warn offence than a ban - with that in mind, if he were to say the same again then fair enough he deserves the day ban, but even if certain people find his post to be a bash, and even if the bash was intended, its simply an opinion based on his view of the game.

But seriously, im done with the topic, his ban expired and i could sit here and argue the point till im blue in the face and it would not effect a thing.



Mr Khan on 31 August 2013
Nyleveia said:
RolStoppable said:
Nyleveia said:

Just semantics, but tone is something that does not carry over text, sarcasm rarely carries over in text and maintains the same "tone" as spoken word - but ill spell it out, yet again - he made a statement, which is not bad worthy, you may call it bashing but compared to some of the things said on this forum at times by other people - was pretty damn tame, as such i fail to see why it was worthy of a ban.

We do not know his tone, nor do we know if he was joking, as nobody asked him, he was simply banned - nobody asked for clarification - mr khan, and you, made a snap judgement call on a statement which would at best be seen as a "synical opinion" - you can keep saying "blah blah rules, blah blah trolling/bashing, ban was deserved", doesnt change the fact that the ban was not deserved.

"For a game that looks/plays like a $1 android/ios game"

The most frustrating part in this debate is that no matter how much you repeat that hes trolling or bashing, his observation is CORRECT regardless.

Go take a look at soulcraft or dungeon defenders 2, or any other decently made action rpg and youll see striking similarities across the board, from the half assed menus to the clunky control, W101 is essentially a retail tablet game for WiiU.

First off, the user in question already had a moderation history despite having less than ten posts, meaning that he has been warned before.

Secondly, the observation is incorrect. Not only does TW101 look significantly better than Soulcraft, it also plays significantly different. Soulcraft comes down to tapping one virtual button while TW101 uses six buttons and the right stick to string combos together and dodge. Action RPGs are simpler than action games in nature and this holds all the more true when you compare an action RPG on a limited platform like a smartphone to an action game on a home console with a proper controller.

Thirdly, a comment like that is of course made to bash the game.

Fourthly, the most disturbing part is that you are willing to stick up for such a user, simply because the comment in question was directed against a Nintendo product. And no, there's no reason to act like the average user has to fear being banned because of that ban.

1) Post history doesnt (or at least, shouldnt) be a deciding factor on the cause of bans, unless deciding between temp or permanent.

2) thats entirely a matter of opinion, also there are multiple bluetooth/wired gamepads available for android and ios devices should you not want to use touchscreen exclusively - there are plenty of great looking android games that dont cost a single penny due to their f2p nature.

3) Again, a matter of opinion, but even if the express intent WAS to bash the game, i see other users doing the same, in much more obvious ways and not receiving a ban or any sort of action against them.

4) Whats disturbing is that you yourself are trying to tie this to being about a specific console or manufacturer when it isnt, my issue was entirely with a user being banned for what was, in relative terms to the kind of thing other users frequently get away with, a tame post at best, but if you want to try and tie it to it being "simply because its a nintendo console" then by all means give examples from this very thread where you came to this conclusion, because frankly it seems like youre just pulling that one our of your arse.

It is also, unfortunately, against the rules to discuss moderation outside of certain specific threads (like here) so i'll have to ask you to stop talking about it.



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PigPen on 31 August 2013
curl-6 said:
PigPen said:
curl-6 said:
PigPen said:
I forgot to mention that I'm going to get this game. I am tied down by so many games.

What games tying you down? Pikmin 3 by any chance?


Pikmin 3, New Super Luigi U, Lego City: Undercover and I trying to pony up the money for Call Of Duty: Ghosts and Watch Dogs Gamestop preorder.  I am not rich but I wish I was right now.

Saving up for Ghosts myself, and Donkey Kong Country.

Wonderful 101 really didn't look like my cup of tea, and I'm short on money as I'm moving house, so I passed on it.


Please don't start with that.  I too am looking to get Donkey Kong Country: TF, Super Mario 3D Worlds and Deus Ex: HRDC.  I just didn't see the need to list everything.



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badgenome on 31 August 2013
PigPen said:
Even if it is a flop, we will decide. The game is exclusive to Nintendo. Microsoft and Sony owners can't purchase this game at retail. This game is at Nintendo owners disposal, so even if we don't buy it at least we can. Only us Nintendo fans has option to get it.

It's true. I went to the store to buy Wonderful 101 just to support Platinum even though I don't own a Wii U. When I got to the cashier they asked me what console I had. I told them it was a PS3, and they kicked me out.



zorg1000 on 31 August 2013
RolStoppable said:
zorg1000 said:
KungKras said:
Cobretti2 said:
it doesn't matter when a game launches, if its a god game it will sell. May not be big to start with but a good game has legs.

If god games sell so well, why was Black & White 2 such a failure?

How in any way was Black/White 2 a failure? It sold comparitively to Crystal, Emerald, Platinum which its the 5th gen equivelent to. Comparing it to a new gen isnt fair because its not a new gen.

Holy cow...

Cows dont have holes



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zorg1000 on 31 August 2013
pezus said:
zorg1000 said:
RolStoppable said:
zorg1000 said:
KungKras said:
Cobretti2 said:
it doesn't matter when a game launches, if its a god game it will sell. May not be big to start with but a good game has legs.

If god games sell so well, why was Black & White 2 such a failure?

How in any way was Black/White 2 a failure? It sold comparitively to Crystal, Emerald, Platinum which its the 5th gen equivelent to. Comparing it to a new gen isnt fair because its not a new gen.

Holy cow...

Cows dont have holes

The joke is that Black & White 2 is an old PC "God" game >_>

Dude its the goddest game ever



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oniyide on 31 August 2013
PigPen said:
Even if it is a flop, we will decide. The game is exclusive to Nintendo. Microsoft and Sony owners can't purchase this game at retail. This game is at Nintendo owners disposal, so even if we don't buy it at least we can. Only us Nintendo fans has option to get it.

ummmm what the hell does this have to do with anything



Moonhero on 31 August 2013

This is sad. I think it looks fun, but I don't see myself tossing cash at it with so many better looking (gameplay wise) coming out.
35,000 units tops week one in the US...



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