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Jay520 on 21 August 2013
JayWood2010 said:

And i owe you a further explananation?  Ive said a few times now that it is disrespectful to troll or make fun of other companies for mistakes they have made.  Instead of making fun of them they should be letting their products do the talking.  That has been my reason and you want another one.  Im not going to offer another reason because that IS my reason.


Stating your advantages is not trolling.

Insulting, degrading, offending, etc. is trolling.

Saying, "Our competitor's policies have changed, but we were consistent with our policies" is not trolling.

Saying, "Our competitor's aren't smart enough to maintain their policies, but luckily, we have the competence to do so" is trolling.

Do you see the difference?

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Imagine a paper towel commercial where the narrator says 

"Our competitor's brand is only 90% effective, while our brand is 99% effective."

Would you say that is trolling, or simply stating the advantages of your product/service?



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TheSting on 21 August 2013
Euphoria14 said:
TheSting said:
Euphoria14 said:

This begs the question then...

If they have a two-way conversation going on with the community then how did they end up making a console that was anything but what the community wanted?

That only happens when you don't listen.


& this begs the question 

 

How many gamers knew about the total system to have a two way conversation?

Beats me, I don't follow everyone's tweets, PSblog posts, surveys, etc... However, one came out being what consumers wanted while the other had to adjust their policies to the match the other. That says it all.

I don't fully understand the point of your question. Is it to say we didn't know exactly what the PS4 would have? If so, of course they didn't, but obviously they listened throughout the years and sculpted it based on surveys, tweets, PSblog posts, etc... While the other only cared to move things in a direction most beneficial to to themselves.

yes, I am saying that I found the initial XBone to be very anticonsumer. Many others did as well, hence the backlash they got.


1st they put it back to the way the 360 is now. Kinect less etc... 

Point of my question was in response to yours which basically said. How could they have a two way and release something the fans didn't want?

My question basically said the fans didn't have a two way because they didn't even know it was going to be like that till after it was showcased. 

Seems like imo your POV is that the fans knew ahead of time had a two way and MS didn't listen. I'm saying no one knew so how can they have a two way? They had a vision they released it the community outcry which was vocal forced them to go back to the way 360 is now excluding the new features of course. 



Jaywood2010 on 21 August 2013
Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:

And i owe you a further explananation?  Ive said a few times now that it is disrespectful to troll or make fun of other companies for mistakes they have made.  Instead of making fun of them they should be letting their products do the talking.  That has been my reason and you want another one.  Im not going to offer another reason because that IS my reason.


Stating your advantages is not trolling.

Insulting, degrading, offending, etc. is trolling.

Saying, "Our competitor's policies have changed, but we were consistent with our policies" is not trolling.

Saying, "Our competitor's aren't smart enough to maintain their policies, but luckily, we have the competence to do so" is trolling.

Do you see the difference?

 


And I disagree.  Ive mentioned this before, not sure why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  I respect your opinion but stop trying to convince me that it is professional. You believe it is professional and i believe it isnt.  But guess what?  The world will move on and so will you.

There is close to 7 billion people in this world. Not everybody agrees on everything.




       

Jay520 on 21 August 2013
JayWood2010 said:


And I disagree.  Ive mentioned this before, not sure why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  I respect your opinion but stop trying to convince me that it is professional. You believe it is professional and i believe it isnt.  But guess what?  The world will move on and so will you.

There is close to 7 billion people in this world. Not everybody agrees on everything.


Answer the question. 

If a paper towel company said:

"Our competitor's brand is only 90% effective, while our brand is 99% effective."

Would you say that is trolling?

All I want is a yes or a no.



Jaywood2010 on 21 August 2013
Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:


And I disagree.  Ive mentioned this before, not sure why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  I respect your opinion but stop trying to convince me that it is professional. You believe it is professional and i believe it isnt.  But guess what?  The world will move on and so will you.

There is close to 7 billion people in this world. Not everybody agrees on everything.


Answer the question. 

If a paper towel company said:

"Our competitor's brand is only 90% effective, while our brand is 99% effective."

Would you say that is trolling?

All I want is a yes or a no.


First off those commercials are dumb.  Every papertowl company says that without stating what other brand it is.  It could be some 2c brand for all we know and we are just suppose to take their word for it.

Trolling? More like padding stats and often time false advertising.

Better examples would be electronic companies like  Samsung vs Apple, Apple vs MSFT, or Nvidia vs AMD. HIGHLY competitive companies where they directly target a few other companies.  Not an industry that has a ton of brands that people dont even pay attention to.





       

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TheSting on 21 August 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:


And I disagree.  Ive mentioned this before, not sure why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  I respect your opinion but stop trying to convince me that it is professional. You believe it is professional and i believe it isnt.  But guess what?  The world will move on and so will you.

There is close to 7 billion people in this world. Not everybody agrees on everything.


Answer the question. 

If a paper towel company said:

"Our competitor's brand is only 90% effective, while our brand is 99% effective."

Would you say that is trolling?

All I want is a yes or a no.


First off those commercials are dumb.  Every papertowl company says that without stating what other brand it is.  It could be some 2c brand for all we know and we are just suppose to take their word for it.

Trolling? More like padding stats and often time false advertising.

Better examples would be electronic companies like  Samsung vs Apple, Apple vs MSFT, or Nvidia vs AMD. HIGHLY competitive companies where they directly target a few other companies.  Not an industry that has a ton of brands that people dont even pay attention to.


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Jaywood2010 on 21 August 2013
TheSting said:


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Jay520 on 21 August 2013
JayWood2010 said:


First off those commercials are dumb.  Every papertowl company says that without stating what other brand it is.  It could be some 2c brand for all we know and we are just suppose to take their word for it.

Trolling? More like padding stats.

Better examples would be electronic companies like  Samsung vs Apple, Apple vs MSFT, or Nvidia vs AMD. HIGHLY competitive companies where they directly target a few other companies.  Not an industry that has a ton of brands that people dont even pay attention to.

Can you get much more off topic than you are Jay?

 

Okay, from the gaming industry...

What about whenever Microsoft would come out and say "With earlier DLC, Call of Duty is superior on Xbox"

I guess that's trolling too, huh?



JOKA_ on 21 August 2013

He's right, being able to react for the better is a good thing, but it also means that your future promises don't hold weight.

Right now there is a thread on VGChartz with Phil spencer saying that "the X1 will never come without Kinect". How can anyone say they believe that with 100% certainty now?



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Jaywood2010 on 21 August 2013
Jay520 said:

 

Okay, from the gaming industry...

What about whenever Microsoft would come out and say "Call of Duty is superior on Xbox"

I guess that's trolling too, huh?


Yes talking up exclusive content that they paid for is obviously trolling.  How about staying on topic Jay and saying something where MSFT trolled sony THE COMPANY for a mistake they have made like PSN, The Vita, the PS3's pricetag, etc (Because yes sony has made mistakes.)

or you could use an example where MSFT did it to apple, or apple did it to MSFT.  or Nvidia doing it to AMD etc.  In which i will say everytime, yes it is unprofessional regardless of the company.

Or is that "ILLOGICAL" and "Hilarious" that i have a different view on the situation ;)