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Will good holiday 2013 sales from the Wii U help bring 3rd party games to the system next year?

Yes. The Wii U will sell well this holiday. 176 59.86%
 
No. The Wii U won't sell well. 59 20.07%
 
It doesn't matter if the... 31 10.54%
 
See poll results. 28 9.52%
 
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the_dengle on 21 August 2013
Soundwave said:

If Nintendo had an IP like Halo or Uncharted that they made themselves and sold millions and millions of copies, then I think third parties would be more inclined to support Nintendo platforms. It's become a demographic problem as much as a hardware issue.

Mario Kart selling 20 million copies doesn't mean much to them. If it was Metroid or Xenoblade or Bayonetta 2 selling 10 million copies on a Nintendo platform, I tend to think that would draw a lot of third parties though because they would be confident there must be a hardcore audience there.

But if a developer is looking at the Wii/Wii U and seeing that even Nintendo has a hard time selling non-family-oriented brands on the system, what message does that send to say the GTAV designer?

What if I told you that a T-rated, first-party launch title for the Wii landed a 95 metascore and went on to sell almost 7 million copies?

What did this game's success show if not that the Wii audience would have loved to get their hands on games like The Elder Scrolls, Arkham Asylum, Darksiders, and so on? Nintendo did their part for that genre.



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curl-6 on 21 August 2013
Soundwave said:

Well Call of Duty, Batman, AC4, and Watch Dogs *must* sell on the Wii U this holiday season. No excuses, it's time to put up or shut up, Nintendo fans.

Harsh but true.

You can't complain about not getting third party games if you don't support the ones that do come.

I bought Need for Speed Most Wanted U, I will be buying Watch Dogs and COD Ghosts on Wii U, (and maybe Batman Arkham Origins) and throughout the Wii's life I supported games like Monster Hunter Tri, Goldeneye 007, COD World at War, The Last Story, Project Zero 2: Wii Edition, Red Steel 2, and No More Heroes 2.

I put my money where my mouth is.



Mr Khan on 21 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I watched that video and EA never lied about anything except for alluding to the potential of the Wii U for Battlefield 3 downported playability. At that time, yes the Wii U was boasting better graphics than the current gen and no one was talking about the steps Microsoft and Sony were taking. EA applauded Nintendo for finally reaching out to EA's market and Levine from Irrational Games said Nintendo is finally focusing on the hardcore gamer. The leap in graphics they were alluding to was being slightly above current gen so they could finally get the current gen multiplats they missed on during the Wii era. Nintendo did a good service to their community by swallowing their pride and allowing themselves and their fanbase to play great first party games with current gen third party experiences. What people were talking about when they were praising the Wii U was really the possibilities of the controller, not exactly the power. None of the videos shown of the ports were anything above current gen...absolutely none of them. PC is the bar for the multiplats so when you gauge this, you can tell the scalable power of a console. 

The reason Battlefield got shelved on the Wii U was because of arguments between Nintendo and EA of the placement of origin. I guess everything was fixed and the Wii U is getting a downported version of Battlefield 4 just like the Xbox 360 and PS3. The next gen fully scalable versions will go to PS4, Xbox One and PC.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/08/battlefield-3-on-wii-u/

Reggie Fils Aime (as much as I love the guy) boasted about how the Wii U (around that time) had dramatically superior versions graphically of COD. Later we found this was not true at all. Look up the video on CNN or if you want by your request I'll look for it when you respond. When questioned by the woman about the rumored dramatic graphics enhancement of the Wii U and power of the PS4 and Xbone Reggie tried to dodge the question and kept saying something like "well see".

When the media shit hit the fan about the Wii U being underpowered, this occured.

"The processing power of the hardware really doesn't matter. I say that with confidence looking at the most recent generation of home consoles where the Wii, which the broad industry looked at and said "boy, that seems to be underpowered" but sold 100 million units globally. And the consumer saw the innovation of the Wii Remote and the active gameplay we offered.

Even if you look at the generation before that, it was Sony's product that was underpowered compared to the other two home consoles and yet they won that generation. In the end it comes down to the games. The games drive the install base, the games excite the consumer."

http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/reggie-filsaime-points-to-ps2-in-defense-of-wii-u-power-20195

While he's right generally speaking about the Wii U's being much weaker than the coming consoles, the problem most third parties will have with the next gen rather than the current gen is downporting so dramatically. PC multiplats were held back by the massive sales of the current gen consoles, however, the new consoles are coming with the promise of proper power fitting for the next gen so third parties can make their next gen games. The Wii U will be the only console that will have to be downported to current gen level. The chances are very, very high that they will be ignored because they did not prepare themselves. 

Did they not see the graphics capabilities of the Battlefield 3? It was their first glimpse of next gen, technically. As soon as the frostbite engine came out we all knew.

Anyway, thanks for listening. You've been the first person who has been able to give me any statement or speak in a civilized manner without getting defensive. I love Nintendo myself and I think Reggie is awesome but at some point we are faced with the way things are. The way I see it, who cares? I am getting my Wii U for exclusives anyway and if the Wii U sells it thats more exclusive games for them tailor made for the Nintendo fanbase.

 

Watch this video, this guy responds to Reggies comment very intelligently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oYgPliZBRg

EA lied, plain and simple. There is no possible way to credulously state otherwise.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

S.T.A.G.E. on 21 August 2013
Mr Khan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


I watched that video and EA never lied about anything except for alluding to the potential of the Wii U for Battlefield 3 downported playability. At that time, yes the Wii U was boasting better graphics than the current gen and no one was talking about the steps Microsoft and Sony were taking. EA applauded Nintendo for finally reaching out to EA's market and Levine from Irrational Games said Nintendo is finally focusing on the hardcore gamer. The leap in graphics they were alluding to was being slightly above current gen so they could finally get the current gen multiplats they missed on during the Wii era. Nintendo did a good service to their community by swallowing their pride and allowing themselves and their fanbase to play great first party games with current gen third party experiences. What people were talking about when they were praising the Wii U was really the possibilities of the controller, not exactly the power. None of the videos shown of the ports were anything above current gen...absolutely none of them. PC is the bar for the multiplats so when you gauge this, you can tell the scalable power of a console. 

The reason Battlefield got shelved on the Wii U was because of arguments between Nintendo and EA of the placement of origin. I guess everything was fixed and the Wii U is getting a downported version of Battlefield 4 just like the Xbox 360 and PS3. The next gen fully scalable versions will go to PS4, Xbox One and PC.

http://wiiudaily.com/2012/08/battlefield-3-on-wii-u/

Reggie Fils Aime (as much as I love the guy) boasted about how the Wii U (around that time) had dramatically superior versions graphically of COD. Later we found this was not true at all. Look up the video on CNN or if you want by your request I'll look for it when you respond. When questioned by the woman about the rumored dramatic graphics enhancement of the Wii U and power of the PS4 and Xbone Reggie tried to dodge the question and kept saying something like "well see".

When the media shit hit the fan about the Wii U being underpowered, this occured.

"The processing power of the hardware really doesn't matter. I say that with confidence looking at the most recent generation of home consoles where the Wii, which the broad industry looked at and said "boy, that seems to be underpowered" but sold 100 million units globally. And the consumer saw the innovation of the Wii Remote and the active gameplay we offered.

Even if you look at the generation before that, it was Sony's product that was underpowered compared to the other two home consoles and yet they won that generation. In the end it comes down to the games. The games drive the install base, the games excite the consumer."

http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/reggie-filsaime-points-to-ps2-in-defense-of-wii-u-power-20195

While he's right generally speaking about the Wii U's being much weaker than the coming consoles, the problem most third parties will have with the next gen rather than the current gen is downporting so dramatically. PC multiplats were held back by the massive sales of the current gen consoles, however, the new consoles are coming with the promise of proper power fitting for the next gen so third parties can make their next gen games. The Wii U will be the only console that will have to be downported to current gen level. The chances are very, very high that they will be ignored because they did not prepare themselves. 

Did they not see the graphics capabilities of the Battlefield 3? It was their first glimpse of next gen, technically. As soon as the frostbite engine came out we all knew.

Anyway, thanks for listening. You've been the first person who has been able to give me any statement or speak in a civilized manner without getting defensive. I love Nintendo myself and I think Reggie is awesome but at some point we are faced with the way things are. The way I see it, who cares? I am getting my Wii U for exclusives anyway and if the Wii U sells it thats more exclusive games for them tailor made for the Nintendo fanbase.

 

Watch this video, this guy responds to Reggies comment very intelligently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oYgPliZBRg

EA lied, plain and simple. There is no possible way to credulously state otherwise.


EA scrapped the port because of politics over Origin, they didn't lie. Wii U is getting BF4, so I guess they came to an agreement with Nintendo. I provided the link.



Mr Khan on 21 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mr Khan said:

EA lied, plain and simple. There is no possible way to credulously state otherwise.


EA scrapped the port because of politics over Origin, they didn't lie. Wii U is getting BF4, so I guess they came to an agreement with Nintendo. I provided the link.

Wii U is getting Battlefield 4? I think i would have heard of that...



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

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S.T.A.G.E. on 21 August 2013
Mr Khan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


EA scrapped the port because of politics over Origin, they didn't lie. Wii U is getting BF4, so I guess they came to an agreement with Nintendo. I provided the link.

Wii U is getting Battlefield 4? I think i would have heard of that...

Wait...forget that. My mistake, EA alluded to it being possible but their resources are elsewhere. Wow...thats some politics.



DevilRising on 22 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:


No...X can be done, you're selling it way too hard when there are big games running on current gen consoles. The PS3 and 360 cannot dream of properly running Xbox One and PS4 exclusives. 


And you're continuing to ignore the fact that the pics you're using to back up your arguement, are very early, likely alpha stage development shots, that already look on par with the games you're championing. The point is, the FINAL, finished product of "X", will look even better than that, with all full effects in, fully polished, etc. But hey, what would I know, the Wii U is just three Gamecubes duct-taped together.



S.T.A.G.E. on 22 August 2013
DevilRising said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


No...X can be done, you're selling it way too hard when there are big games running on current gen consoles. The PS3 and 360 cannot dream of properly running Xbox One and PS4 exclusives. 


And you're continuing to ignore the fact that the pics you're using to back up your arguement, are very early, likely alpha stage development shots, that already look on par with the games you're championing. The point is, the FINAL, finished product of "X", will look even better than that, with all full effects in, fully polished, etc. But hey, what would I know, the Wii U is just three Gamecubes duct-taped together.


Dude..the lighting and tones in that build of that game are dull and seem kind of muted even though are bright. The details are not above Halo 4 and The last of us (look at the skin and the armor and even the environment), but it is turning out to be one of the best looking games on the Wii U. I was showing you what could easily be done, not that it was on par. Theres far more detail in the other games than X.  The color palette looks like a second hand metroid. 



zorg1000 on 22 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DevilRising said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


No...X can be done, you're selling it way too hard when there are big games running on current gen consoles. The PS3 and 360 cannot dream of properly running Xbox One and PS4 exclusives. 


And you're continuing to ignore the fact that the pics you're using to back up your arguement, are very early, likely alpha stage development shots, that already look on par with the games you're championing. The point is, the FINAL, finished product of "X", will look even better than that, with all full effects in, fully polished, etc. But hey, what would I know, the Wii U is just three Gamecubes duct-taped together.


Dude..the lighting and tones in that build of that game are dull. The details are not above Halo 4 and The last of us, but it is turning out to be one of the best looking games on the Wii U.

To be fair, u should compare PS360 games released in the first 1-2 years. Halo 4 and Last of Us are games that released 7 years after the consoles were released. The late gen Wii U games will probably look quite a bit better than those games.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 22 August 2013
zorg1000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DevilRising said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


No...X can be done, you're selling it way too hard when there are big games running on current gen consoles. The PS3 and 360 cannot dream of properly running Xbox One and PS4 exclusives. 


And you're continuing to ignore the fact that the pics you're using to back up your arguement, are very early, likely alpha stage development shots, that already look on par with the games you're championing. The point is, the FINAL, finished product of "X", will look even better than that, with all full effects in, fully polished, etc. But hey, what would I know, the Wii U is just three Gamecubes duct-taped together.


Dude..the lighting and tones in that build of that game are dull. The details are not above Halo 4 and The last of us, but it is turning out to be one of the best looking games on the Wii U.

To be fair, u should compare PS360 games released in the first 1-2 years. Halo 4 and Last of Us are games that released 7 years after the consoles were released. The late gen Wii U games will probably look quite a bit better than those games.


I could do that... but The Wii U has been pushed since inception with multiplats. The multiplats have shown me enough. The only thing that can probably trump those games are the exlusives tailor made for the consoles. I have no issues with the Wii U, Nintendo games don't need the best graphics and its good to see it in the next gen. Really, Zelda and Metroid would look amazing with the graphics coming with the other next gen consoles, but Mario with those graphics? No. That would be pedo scary. I do illustration and graphic design...a realistic looking mario is f'n is on fire pedo style.