you made the entire topic about the drm and other crap policies that MS tried with Xone and here's a hint for you: nintendo made it clear wii u would have the opposite of thet crap long before the announcement of ps4 or xone, yet you mention sony as the savior.

about your quote: just like 3ds start. software sells hardware and only now it's starting to get compelling software. it amazes me how much you haters repeat this excuse about wii u current sales even after being proven wrong, as if you are a broken disc or something.

Sorry. Really bothers me when people say that for some reason lol.

Gotta give the powerglove and eyetoy some love :/

I wasn't insulting Sony or saying they were planning on any of these policies.  I think maybe they didn't come out with any statements beforehand (or at least weren't quite so clear or emphatic about it) before E3 because they wanted that moment.  MS had to show A TON at E3 to try to drown out the always on backlash and it STILL didn't work.  Those games they showed should have stolen the show.  Instead Sony beat them on policy and multiplat footage.  We know Sony has more first party games in the first year (20 vs. 15) so they've obivously played this masterfully.  They knew they would win E3 on policy and price.  Now MS blew their load and can't match their Gamescom announcements.  They needed a lot of help from MS but they're set up beatifully to take Gamescom with so many games left and they still won E3.  It's a nightmare and that E3 will resonate for years just like the 2006 one.

Fair enough XD lol

Duh? That's why MS reversed the policy? You posted a lot of words for something that we all know already.

The reason Sony won E3 is because they listened. Everyone knows even Sony wants to go all digital one day, but they are moving at the pace of the hardware that exists in the homes of their primary consumerbase. Microsoft knows the only way they could be a market leader techwise is to have an internet/software dependent console over Sony because thats their strong suit. Sony has been the market leader for formats but relinquished that to Nintendo with the Wii for gaining the casuals (and theres always a chance that can happen but its much more rare than most people admit.). Sony knows if they are launching  head on with Microsoft that they can take them. Their confidence spoke volumes when they called out Microsoft to show off their console first so they could kill them with the price for value deal at launch. MS wasnt ready yet for Sony which is why they showed off the box in May and not February or march, because Sony was like a giddy child trying to get them to show what they had since they knew MS wouldnt let them launch ahead of them away since they are after relatively the same way. This game was Sonys to lose the whole time games or not.  

I'll just use the 900 dollars I saved from not buying both to upgrade my PC ;) All I need is my Wii-U anyways. I'm sure the people I live with will pony up for the PS4 at some point. We've essentially banned the Xbox One from being in our home due to the required Kinect garbage.

I only proves that Microsoft took a risky move, and it turned out to be too risky. That's all.

im not arguing any of that, BUT what did they do BEFORE that? what did anyone do before that? Exactly. THats my point the WIi and DS arent even that old, now people expect a WIi like machine all the time which is just a wrong way to go about it. Ninty tried more innovation with 3DS and WIi U...look how those turned out, few care about 3d and fewer less is caring about the gamepad.

Vision? I doubt that any of the 3 have a vision beyond what $$$ they return to their shareholders. It's funny that most of you think Sony gives a shit about you. Sony made a particular business decision to not include the PSeye to get their price down to $399. It's obvious by the design of their controller, that it was intended to be standard equipment. They made a smart decision to go for the throat with M$ and drop the eye and their price to grab the early adopters(core gamers). Based on the many comments from the developers, it is obvious that they were intending to be at 4gb ram too. It's always easier to announce the tech specs/price of your system after the competition does. Gives you a chance to change your mind and make it look like that you didn't "180". For most of the core gamers who can only buy their games on disc and can afford only one system and seemingly don't connect their system to the internet, then the PS4 is revolutionary. If you wanted a system that has an ability to be both a basic game system and something else, then you get a XBone. No one can argue that with most of the changes that M$ has made, their system can do what the 360/PS3/PS4 can do, but much more. If you don't want the "more", then get a 360/PS4/PS3.