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DarthVolod on 08 August 2013
ganoncrotch said:
DarthVolod said:
ganoncrotch said:
JoeTheBro said:
DarthVolod said:
JoeTheBro said:
DarthVolod said:
tuscaniman99 said:
Why would you buy a next gen console and not have a Gold account or PSN+? If you really are that anti-social and never play online sharing videos wouldn't be something that interests you in the first place. Once again more whining for no reason from people not interested in buying the Xbox One in the first place.


Could not have said it better myself. Almost no one commenting here was planning to buy it anyways.

Everyone just needs to accept that paywalls are a thing ... even Sony does it which is a much greater scandal than anything that has come out about Xbox One recently considering that "free online" was the battle cry of the PS3.

Microsoft has a paywall. Sony has a paywall. Nintendo will have a paywall soon.

Really you guys?

Microsoft announced that as long as one person on the xbone has gold, everyone can play online on that system. That meant I could just have a family GOLD account and still play online on my personal account.

Now you guys are arguing that every player on a system should pay for GOLD, even when all but one can already play online without it? You're so wrong it's almost comical. This has nothing to do with being anti-social or not wanting an xbox one.

We are not arguing that every player should have Gold ... we are just saying that the kind of player that will use this feature will 10/10 times have a Gold account already so people are complaining over something incredibly trivial.

There was also some justifiable scorn towards posters on here (often with giant sigs that feature Sony games/products) complaining about this feature that they will never use, because their next gen console choice is clear.

I don't make it my mission to go into threads about the PS4 just to bash them ... especially when I have no intention of buying a PS4 anytime soon if ever.

1. I don't have GOLD on my account yet I want this feature. Bam you're wrong.

2. Does a person's love for a different system automatically make what they post worthless?

3. So you're saying the people upset about this have a mission to go into xbone threads just to bash them?


well it's clearly because of your sig made completely of Sony Kaz hirai gifs and I think in one of them there is a guy actually making love to the dvd tray of a ps3? that was a bit much! Really annoying at this stage when you can't raise any concerns about a console you were looking forwards to because you've immediately been a playstation fanboy for years.

The point is that it would seem they are clearly not looking forward to the console regardless of this feature ...

Take my sig for example. I show my Xbox gamerscore and it is (somewhat) high. Without looking at my post history, take a wild guess which next gen console I am looking forward to. If someone has a Playstation Nation banner on their sig, a gif showing a PS4 erasing a Xbox One, their trophy card ect. ect. then I don't think it is unreasonable for me to assume they are probably interested in a PS4 over say a Xbox One or Wii U.

It would be like if I walked into your house/apartment/whatever and I saw a bunch of Call of Duty posters on your wall. One would assume you like the game. Now there may be other reasons for you to have them on your wall, but that would be the first thing to come to mind.

I am not saying that they can not have a valid point even if they don't plan to get an Xbox One. What I am saying is that it is petty, and completely unecessary to act as though this is a major drawback for Xbox One or to say Microsoft is greedy and terrible ect. This policy affects virtually no one, and the people who seem to be most vocal about it are the ones who would never use it in the first place. That is all I am saying.


I do obviously know there are some people who do just pop up in all of these threads and claim they were going to buy 10 box ones until they found out it was going to be the colour it is and now they hate it.... I do understand these people exist, but I'm going to post something I've put in a few threads at this stage now but yeah http://i.imgur.com/d7F9ips.jpg that's my wall o games from the last 2 gens, with the majority of my 360 stuff on it, that was taken slightly before E3 and the two games in the very top right are actually on loan from a friend along with his system, Since the reveal I have got my own Ps3 but if you can look at that and claim that I had no interest in getting an Xboxone before the reveal of all the shite at E3 and all the bad press from both Nelson and Don M then I'm just lost here.

I'm not just a collector btw feel free to add Stormcloudlive on Xbla I think I'm 1 achievement point under 37k thanks to goddamn rockband 3 giving an achievement worth 4 pts!!

Like I said tho, I really do understand that there are those who troll bad news, but please understand there are also people who were dying for the reveal to be amazing, the Xbox720 that would literally send Sony's heads spinning, but for me personnally I felt only the fans were feeling as tho we were getting spun around by the X1.


Point taken. No one was more eager to buy an Xbox One than I was. To illustrate my side of the argument here is my 360 collection for last gen : (the picture with the metal wire shelf are my completed games) (you can already see my gamerscore in my sig)

The DRM ordeal was a dealbreaker even for a customer as loyal as I have been, and I preordered a PS4 as a result (you can all check my old posts if you like where I talk about it if you need proof that I am not a fanboy). The reversal brought me back. I understand that not all of the people on here have a natural hatred of the Xbox One, but some of the posters on here are acting as though the Xbox One is still this abomination of a game system when really the only differences between it and the PS4 is the $100 extra on the price tag, a few exclusives, and a camera and not much else ... at least not much of actual substance. I have no doubt you were planning to buy an Xbox One, and so were several other people on here. My disdain is directed only at those who never intended to buy the system in the first place ... which seems to be a fair number of people on here. It is no secret that a majority of posters on here prefer Sony. That is fine, but don't rip a system over something as trivial as a game DVR feature no one will use.

For those like you that clearly intended to buy an Xbox One, but, for one reason or another, decided it is not for you that is no problem for me. You made a choice and I respect that completely. I don't, however, respect trolling which is clearly what some people are doing here.



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Puppyroach on 08 August 2013
the2real4mafol said:
Puppyroach said:
This is really silly, so now people are discussing who gives more or less when you pay? Sony recently announced that they will start requiring PS+ for most multiplayer, yet people still think they are some kind of heroes for not requiring it for the recording?

Do not people understand that these are business decisions? If MS´s strategy works, Sony will follow suit. If, however, Sony´s strategy is succesful, MS will follow closely (like, for example, free games). None of them are "good guys" or "bad guys" which Sony showed by starting to require payments for more of their services. They want to make money to stay in this business and make more games avaliable for us gamers.

And, for anyone complaining about all the money everything costs: it is a lot cheaper to be a gamer today than in the 90´s, you get more for less and a lot better deals all the time. So you chill out and start enjoying the games instead :).

Microsoft has stuff like Skype and Internet Explorer (things that are free elsewhere) behind the Xbox Live paywall alongside livestreaming, Netlfix. MS even tried to put F2P games behind the paywall, but developers rightfully told them where to shove it. As a result, some developers have been turned off by the Xbox One. 

All Sony wants to charge you for is Multiplayer but you get a decent selection of games thrown in too. Everything else on PS4 from cross game chat to F2P, Netflix and now livestreaming don't require PS+ at all. Who knows, we might even get Gaikai included in some form on PS+, so we can play any game from PS1, PS2 or PS3. That would be a steal.

The problem people have with MS is that they try to make money out of even free stuff. It's why BBC iPlayer took so long to get on Xbox 360 because MS wanted even that to require a membership and the BBC refused to accept that. I know multiplayer is a key feature but the rest of the consoles features shouldn't be locked to a paywall as well. 

Yes, and you can therefore get these features for free if you want to, but not integrated to the system like you get with Xbox Live. I am not really even trying to defend their decision, because I do not understand why people are upset with something that is free on a computer.

Yes, multiplayer is a key feature, and it is that feature that both MS and Sony will put behind the paywall next generation. Why do you think such an important feature all of the sudden turned up as exclusive to PS+? On PS+ you also only get to "own" the games you get for free as long as you pay for PS+, whereas on XBL you can keep the games even after your subscription ends. I wouldn´t like if MS went the same route as Sony regarding that feature, but I can understand why Sony made that decision. It has made it possible for them to generate money to invest in more game development, which in turn benefits us as gamers.



Ganoncrotch on 08 August 2013
DarthVolod said:


Point taken. No one was more eager to buy an Xbox One than I was. To illustrate my side of the argument here is my 360 collection for last gen : (the picture with the metal wire shelf are my completed games) (you can already see my gamerscore in my sig)

 

The DRM ordeal was a dealbreaker even for a customer as loyal as I have been, and I preordered a PS4 as a result (you can all check my old posts if you like where I talk about it if you need proof that I am not a fanboy). The reversal brought me back. I understand that not all of the people on here have a natural hatred of the Xbox One, but some of the posters on here are acting as though the Xbox One is still this abomination of a game system when really the only differences between it and the PS4 is the $100 extra on the price tag, a few exclusives, and a camera and not much else ... at least not much of actual substance. I have no doubt you were planning to buy an Xbox One, and so were several other people on here. My disdain is directed only at those who never intended to buy the system in the first place ... which seems to be a fair number of people on here. It is no secret that a majority of posters on here prefer Sony. That is fine, but don't rip a system over something as trivial as a game DVR feature no one will use.

For those like you that clearly intended to buy an Xbox One, but, for one reason or another, decided it is not for you that is no problem for me. You made a choice and I respect that completely. I don't, however, respect trolling which is clearly what some people are doing here.

Killing myself trying to read your end labels :D some are recognizable because of the same font etc. as the EU versions but damn that's a nice collection of 360 stuff. I do completely know what you mean tho, I had it the last 2 generations with the same mate who claimed first he had loved the N64 but then the gamecube was too kiddy and so he hated Nintendo and the GC, then last gen He claimed he had loved some of the stuff on the GC and was a real Nintendo fan but the wii was too kiddy and he hated Nintendo for it....

The thing is tho, after the E3 stuff my plan to get an X1 basically ran itself onto a beach like a massive floppy whale with a kinect attached to it, and like... yeah... it's still alive there, flopping about, it could be pulled back in the water. but whenever I hear stories of new features being taken away from it by Ms or when more and more basic stuff goes behind that Gold paywall (I'll be honest I have Gold for the last 4/5 years but outside of SSF4 barely play online) I would love to think I could have the system and not pay extra for what is offered, I'd love to think of getting the system and them not changing the EULA at some point down the line when more have it. But at the moment, it's just flopping its way further and further up the beach.



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chris0409 on 08 August 2013

Ok, but are videos recorded on the PS4 saved in the Cloud? Well, that is the case on the Xbox One, and since it has "unlimited" storage via the Cloud I can understand the reason for this paywall.



riderz13371 on 08 August 2013
chris0409 said:
Ok, but are videos recorded on the PS4 saved in the Cloud? Well, that is the case on the Xbox One, and since it has "unlimited" storage via the Cloud I can understand the reason for this paywall.

You guys keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means.



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Figgycal on 08 August 2013
Puppyroach said:
Figgycal said:
Puppyroach said:
This is really silly, so now people are discussing who gives more or less when you pay? Sony recently announced that they will start requiring PS+ for most multiplayer, yet people still think they are some kind of heroes for not requiring it for the recording?

Do not people understand that these are business decisions? If MS´s strategy works, Sony will follow suit. If, however, Sony´s strategy is succesful, MS will follow closely (like, for example, free games). None of them are "good guys" or "bad guys" which Sony showed by starting to require payments for more of their services. They want to make money to stay in this business and make more games avaliable for us gamers.

And, for anyone complaining about all the money everything costs: it is a lot cheaper to be a gamer today than in the 90´s, you get more for less and a lot better deals all the time. So you chill out and start enjoying the games instead :).

You're absolutely right - all businesses want your money in the end; there is no good guy or bad guy when it comes to big businesses. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. There is a pro-consumer way and an anti-consumer way. From the very beginning - Microsoft showed that it was going about things in an anticonsumer way and have only recently changed. Sony on the other hand has done a great job demonstrating the value of PS plus and showing the plethora of features available to non-ps plus memebers while I'm still wondering if I can do ANYTHING without a gold account.

It's not about Sony being heroes for not doing DRM or in this case requiring PS + for this feature. It's about Microsoft doing things wrong and Sony having the common sense to do what people want.

Also chilling out and enjoy games is nice and all, but if nobody complained these businesses would walk all over us.

 


But the thing is - these are added benefits to a games console. If I do not wish to pay for having acces to Skype or Netflix, I can use my computer. Otherwise, I can still use my console as a games machine, which it actually is.

The thing that is strange though, is the way both MS and Sony require payments (starting with the next generation) for multiplayer, which should be seen as an integral part of a game experience. That is in a lot of ways an anti-consumer decision, but I still recognize the fact that all these membership fees for XBLA has given me the best gaming experience by far during any generation, so obviously the money benefits me in some ways.

But I agree, they do make decisions (both of them) in advance of the coming generation that are, in some parts, anti-consumer (although they are actually very benefitial for those of us that pay). I have a very hard time thinking Game recording features and Skype availability should be counted as part of an anti-consumer agenda since they really are just bonuses besides the gaming experience.

I'm not going to defend either company's descision for pay to play online. My thing has always been: I already pay monthly for internet use, I already paid 400 or 500 bucks for your console and 60 bucks for your game - I shouldn't have to pay extra to use those 3 together. But like I said - there's a right way and wrong way to go about things and Sony managed to find a right way : they've convinced people PS+ is a great value and also showed that yo can still do tons of things without a subscription. Am I happy about paying for PS+ - no, but I'm not upset with it because of their messaging (something Microsoft needs to work on).

I feel like the majority of people that are going to use the recording feature would have gold anyway (not all, but majority). However for things like Netflix, Skype and Internet Explorer that aren't directly related to gaming- half of the people who buy an xbox won't get gold and those features won't be available to them - that's why the ps3 is the more popular system for netflix and such (it's free). It's not anti-consumer per se, but it would've been nice to have those features available to those that aren't interested in online gaming.



chris0409 on 08 August 2013
riderz13371 said:
chris0409 said:
Ok, but are videos recorded on the PS4 saved in the Cloud? Well, that is the case on the Xbox One, and since it has "unlimited" storage via the Cloud I can understand the reason for this paywall.

You guys keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means.

Well, I guarantee that the "limit" will be FAR beyond 514 MB. 720p+30fps can take up a lot of storage, and since the Xbox One (I don't know about the PS4) has mandatory game installs this is a quite reasonable solution.



riderz13371 on 08 August 2013
chris0409 said:
riderz13371 said:
chris0409 said:
Ok, but are videos recorded on the PS4 saved in the Cloud? Well, that is the case on the Xbox One, and since it has "unlimited" storage via the Cloud I can understand the reason for this paywall.

You guys keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means.

Well, I guarantee that the "limit" will be FAR beyond 514 MB. 720p+30fps can take up a lot of storage, and since the Xbox One (I don't know about the PS4) has mandatory game installs this is a quite reasonable solution.

PS4 has 514 MB limit? 



chris0409 on 08 August 2013
riderz13371 said:
chris0409 said:
riderz13371 said:
chris0409 said:
Ok, but are videos recorded on the PS4 saved in the Cloud? Well, that is the case on the Xbox One, and since it has "unlimited" storage via the Cloud I can understand the reason for this paywall.

You guys keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means.

Well, I guarantee that the "limit" will be FAR beyond 514 MB. 720p+30fps can take up a lot of storage, and since the Xbox One (I don't know about the PS4) has mandatory game installs this is a quite reasonable solution.

PS4 has 514 MB limit? 

Ehm, I don't know. I was talking about the 360, sorry for the confusion.



DarthVolod on 10 August 2013
ganoncrotch said:

Killing myself trying to read your end labels :D some are recognizable because of the same font etc. as the EU versions but damn that's a nice collection of 360 stuff. I do completely know what you mean tho, I had it the last 2 generations with the same mate who claimed first he had loved the N64 but then the gamecube was too kiddy and so he hated Nintendo and the GC, then last gen He claimed he had loved some of the stuff on the GC and was a real Nintendo fan but the wii was too kiddy and he hated Nintendo for it....

The thing is tho, after the E3 stuff my plan to get an X1 basically ran itself onto a beach like a massive floppy whale with a kinect attached to it, and like... yeah... it's still alive there, flopping about, it could be pulled back in the water. but whenever I hear stories of new features being taken away from it by Ms or when more and more basic stuff goes behind that Gold paywall (I'll be honest I have Gold for the last 4/5 years but outside of SSF4 barely play online) I would love to think I could have the system and not pay extra for what is offered, I'd love to think of getting the system and them not changing the EULA at some point down the line when more have it. But at the moment, it's just flopping its way further and further up the beach.

Sorry the pictures are kind of off center... by a lot that is because I have a bunch of stuff in front of my shelf blocking it atm, and my phone camera sucks too.

Microsoft's aggressive push of gold has put paywalls up over things that really don't need it ... like Netflix for example. It is silly to require gold for that when even my 3ds can stream it for free. While I still contend that the vast majority of people that will use DVR features will already have gold ... it is still kind of absurd, and I doubt it will encourage a single user to buy gold just for DVR usage alone.

I like your analogy though. For me, the whale has made its way back to the sea between all the reversals, the positive news (indie friendly stance of Microsoft now, headset included, free games with gold ect.). It has not, however, fully made its way back out to open water. So long as Microsoft delivers on their promise of exclusive games and new franchises first year of Xbox One, it will have redeemed itself.

It was a terrible E3, and no one can deny that. PS3 had a terrible E3 when it was announced as well, and they bounced back. Microsoft can do the same.