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badgenome said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
I don't care at this point.

Okay, then. Capcom!

You are one evil man!



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EA bid on it, The Internet rumored it . !



Xen said:
Xxain said:
Xen said:
Xxain said:

The reason SEGA does not localize their games is because they are selfishly targeted just for Japan or PSP is so dead here its not worth it. Atlus has global popularity. This is not a forceful takeover. Do you think Atlus would allow themselves to get bought but then have their games restricted. Im sure Atlus expects anybody who buys to be comfortable with localizing their game. SEGA and Atlus would be great for each other.

That's not really true, if you look at other companies, such as Xseed, Artdink, and NISA, who made a bunch of localizations of PSP games recently and released them on the PSN store. If they can make money, is there any reason why Valk. Chronicles 3 or the new Shining Force wouldn't?

This only has a point if SEGA manages to concede to many, many Atlus demands. And that's not likely, IMO.


No, you cant compare profit expectation from a big company to a small company. Could Valk 3 make profit? probably, but enough for SEGA or other big company to even care? obviously not. I dont even believe White Knight Chronicles made over to America and that's SONY own IP! You gonna hold that against them?

No. I have WKC Origins I got in Europe

While that may be true, it's stupid not to try, especially when some random people on internet gaming communities make a fan translation of the game for free. The game is out there - and distributing on a network saves you a LOT of money.

SEGA isn't much of a risk taker, and not much of a fan pleaser these days. Namco for example is much more, which is hilarious, given where they were a few years ago.


Namco's attitude is Japan first and everybody else possibly if the game succeeds in Japan and you whine enough of facebook/twitter



Xxain said:
Xen said:
Xxain said:

No, you cant compare profit expectation from a big company to a small company. Could Valk 3 make profit? probably, but enough for SEGA or other big company to even care? obviously not. I dont even believe White Knight Chronicles made over to America and that's SONY own IP! You gonna hold that against them?

No. I have WKC Origins I got in Europe

While that may be true, it's stupid not to try, especially when some random people on internet gaming communities make a fan translation of the game for free. The game is out there - and distributing on a network saves you a LOT of money.

SEGA isn't much of a risk taker, and not much of a fan pleaser these days. Namco for example is much more, which is hilarious, given where they were a few years ago.


Namco's attitude is Japan first and everybody else possibly if the game succeeds in Japan and you whine enough of facebook/twitter

In this case... sounds like the perfect attitude.

I doubt Atlus is (not) Japan first.

Atlus is successful in Japan. Do you remember any bombs recently?

Atlus has a lot of whiners.

Perfect.



Many people are commenting based on what they, personally, want. I'm going to look at it from a different perspective - which companies would benefit most from it.

In terms of first-party, Nintendo has the most to gain, as Atlus has quite a few dark franchises, which is what Nintendo is most lacking. Atlus would be able to function as a distinct branding for games that are... not so family-friendly, thereby protecting Nintendo's image and still catering to those who seek such games. It would also expand Nintendo's internal development capability, at a time when Nintendo has been having difficulty getting games out in a timely manner.

Microsoft also has some to gain, as they have a big Japan problem. The potential to rebrand in Japan, perhaps as the "Atlus One" or something like that, might help to improve sales there, especially if that goes along with a lineup of Atlus IPs that sends a clear message to the Japanese gamer. However, MS is unlikely to get it.

Sony would also gain, but their gain would be relatively small. The only notable positive would be that they would get some extra exclusivity, plus a few IPs that mostly appear on other platforms.

Of the three, I would expect Nintendo to be the most likely candidate. Their financial situation is strong (unlike Sony), their motivation is obvious, and their relationship with Atlus has recently been strengthened already.

Of the Japanese third parties, I think that Sega has the most to gain - their IPs would have good resonance, but not too much overlap. However, Sega also isn't exactly flush with cash; for those saying that Sammy can afford it, I point here, where it says that Sega Sammy has 18 billion yen in capital - they can't pay 20 billion yen for Atlus. I'd imagine that their bid was closer to 10 billion yen.

Square Enix, Capcom, Tecmo Koei, and Konami (EDIT: Oh, and Marvelous) aren't likely candidates, in my view, due to overlap in the IPs. Atlus just doesn't represent enough value to any of these companies.

Namco Bandai is a possibility, I think, and it's hard to find solid numbers, but it appears that they have the cash to do it. There is some overlap, as I see it, but not too much. I'd probably call this the frontrunner in terms of gaming companies.

For western publishers, I'd start by suggesting that Ubisoft aren't likely at all - not that they couldn't do it, or that it wouldn't have value, but that I think it lacks resonance. Activision and EA are more likely - both have the cash, I think, and they wouldn't care about resonance. Disney and WB aren't going to do it, in my opinion. But perhaps the most interesting case is Take Two - they'd have the money, they'd probably be interested, they have better resonance than Activision or EA, and there's no real overlap.

So I'd suggest Namco Bandai as most likely, followed by Take Two and Nintendo. Of course, I could be WAY off. But that's how I read it.



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Xxain said:

No, you cant compare profit expectation from a big company to a small company. Could Valk 3 make profit? probably, but enough for SEGA or other big company to even care? obviously not. I dont even believe White Knight Chronicles made over to America and that's SONY own IP! You gonna hold that against them?

Yes, but...

It's difficult to understand how it's worth their while to make a whole new game just for Japan to only sell 500k or fewer copies, but they can't afford to slap some English on it to sell another 100k or so outside of Japan. And if it's just a cost of opportunity thing, it's still very frustrating that a lot of these companies (Sega, Square, Namco) would still rather sit on their games and do nothing at all with them than to let smaller, nimbler publishers like Aksys and XSeed have a crack at localizing them.



Xxain said:

Namco's attitude is Japan first and everybody else possibly if the game succeeds in Japan and you whine enough of facebook/twitter

Which is still preferable to Sega's attitude of "Japan first, and everybody else... LOL!"

(Though I would actually say Namco's current attitude is, "Remember that franchise you loved? It's now free to play!"



Oh, just realised something interesting.

1. Activision probably couldn't afford to buy Atlus, having just bought themselves away from Vivendi.

2. Vivendi currently have $8 billion in cash sitting around, they could potentially buy Atlus.



badgenome said:
Xxain said:

No, you cant compare profit expectation from a big company to a small company. Could Valk 3 make profit? probably, but enough for SEGA or other big company to even care? obviously not. I dont even believe White Knight Chronicles made over to America and that's SONY own IP! You gonna hold that against them?

Yes, but...

It's difficult to understand how it's worth their while to make a whole new game just for Japan to only sell 500k or fewer copies, but they can't afford to slap some English on it to sell another 100k or so outside of Japan. And if it's just a cost of opportunity thing, it's still very frustrating that a lot of these companies (Sega, Square, Namco) would still rather sit on their games and do nothing at all with them than to let smaller, nimbler publishers like Aksys and XSeed have a crack at localizing them.


They wont allow another company prove them wrong. If SEGA's say they dont think Valk3 wont sell they want that perception up. If they give it to Aksys and the game sells that will give ammo fans snd embarrass them. I would rather us not them from another then my favorites go through embarrassment.



Xxain said:

They wont allow another company prove them wrong. If SEGA's say they dont think Valk3 wont sell they want that perception up. If they give it to Aksys and the game sells that will give ammo fans snd embarrass them. I would rather us not them from another then my favorites go through embarrassment.

I like how the characters in the second half of your signature are staring up at this with the exact same expression I had when I read it.