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JWeinCom said:
Of the 16 retail games listed 7 are multiplats. Just under half. Maybe a worthwhile purchase for someone who doesn't own a PS3, but even so it's hard to recommend because it doesn't get all that the PS3 gets. Needs more exclusives.


I agree it does need more exclusives. If they do get the Japanese games localised then it becomes a much better console though.



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BasilZero said:
Michael-5 said:

That would be cool to see an upscaled port of Suikoden I and II for Vita. I don't see this happening because this was a 2006 PSP game, but I hope it gets a retail release, Star Ocean 1 & 2 for PSP were great.

Anyway, I down play for a lot of reasons, mostly because I'm disappointed at the PSV now that I play PSP:

- Not of fan of digital releases, Altelier should release as a physical copy, and I'd much rather play the original version of the PS1/PS2 game if no retail PSP/PSV game exists
- I want to see the Vita release some AAA new games. Jeane D'Ark, Crisis Core, and Gran Turismo were such good games. I want to see Vita be just as good as PSP
- I want to see more HD ports, like PSP saw
- If Vita falls, Nintendo reigns supreme, and 90% of the Vita exclusives would just go to Nintendo, defeating the need to own 2 handhelds.

So in the end, I rip on Vita because it could be so much more. I'd much rather condone the system for not living up to my expectations, then praise it for having PSN, and living off that.

I play games, for the games. So Vita doesn't appeal to me because I can just play all those games on consoles. I have other handheld games in my backlog, it's not like I beat all my handheld games, and need to resort to console ports to enjoy handheld gaming. I will pick one up, maybe in 2020, even if it's just for Uncharted and Gravirty Rush atm, but the Vita could have been much much more.

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Mind you, when Vita see's Gran Turismo, my opinion WILL change. That and a couple unique AAA JRPG's.

You didnt see the second and third links did you? There is a 2012 release of a Suikoden game for the PSP. The Suikoden 1 and 2 part was just in reference to you saying that the DS is the only portable to have a portable Suikoden ;p.

Anyways my point to the second half was: You have every right to rip the Vita but my question was why in this thread which is just to talk about the games that are offered to people. If you want to downplay the system itself - there's been plenty of threads in the past few months talking about the issues of the Vita.

@bolded/italic/underlined - So you do want the Vita to fail :/ that is really horrible - oh well. Anyways I doubt even 50% would go to the Vita 3DS, they just wont be made or will be released on other platforms other than the portables.

Anyways no point in explaining anything more to a person who seems to be clearly bias so I'll be taking my leave off from this thread :/

I saw the 1st and 3rd link, lol, 2nds has the 2012 release date.

As for your question....OHHHH, well I came to give my 2 cents, and the games in the OP were the arguement for me not to have a Vita. All PS3 ports, or 3DS/PSP Multiplatform games, with the exception of a couple games.

Mind you, someone else did say it's nice playin these games outside the house, and I agree. Disgaea's structure is better suited to portable play, so when I do buy a PSV, and if I like Disgaea 1 & 2 on PSP (I'm not sure if I like it after playing it a few hours), I'll get those for PSV over PS3.

Also, I'd rather have Vita succeed, but I believe in tough love. If sony can't put out, then I'd rather have them get out. I also want the One to fail too......but that's probably not going to happen because MS has money.

If Vita did fail, a lot of Vita project would go to PS3, that's also acceptable. Just 90% of the games would go either 3DS or PS3. The few exceptions are Sony published PS1 JRPG's, and the small 1st party lineup Sony has. If PSV didn't exist, and Suikoden or FF Type Zero did have serious localization plans, it's likely they would have been made for the 3DS.

Everyone is biased PSV just doesn't suit me since for the most part, it's just a portable access to PSN and some PS3 games.



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gooch_destroyer said:
BasilZero said:
Michael-5 said:
BasilZero said:

 

Suikoden

Suikoden?

Yes Suikoden

you'd might as well rip on the Wii-U.

People do, and have every right to. Nintendo should not have released a console without a AAA launch title with it. WiiU was the first Nintendo home console to do this, and early sales have been horrendous. 3DS did this, and until the price cut and some good software, it wasn't putting out either.

Make a Wii U thread about this, and I'll agree, although I'll be hoping that Pikmin 3, W101, and Wii Fit turn sales around. I understand that I'm a minority for wanting to own Wii U for Pikmin 3 and X, but at least Wii U has some really sick games coming out.

Vita I'm just disappointed with, I'm loving my PSP btw, and see absolutely no reason to upgrade.



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Michael-5 said:
gooch_destroyer said:

you'd might as well rip on the Wii-U.

People do, and have every right to. Nintendo should not have released a console without a AAA launch title with it. WiiU was the first Nintendo home console to do this, and early sales have been horrendous. 3DS did this, and until the price cut and some good software, it wasn't putting out either.

Make a Wii U thread about this, and I'll agree, although I'll be hoping that Pikmin 3, W101, and Wii Fit turn sales around. I understand that I'm a minority for wanting to own Wii U for Pikmin 3 and X, but at least Wii U has some really sick games coming out.

Vita I'm just disappointed with, I'm loving my PSP btw, and see absolutely no reason to upgrade.

well I guess if does get a price cut and get those games will you be changing your tune.



gooch_destroyer said:
Michael-5 said:
gooch_destroyer said:

you'd might as well rip on the Wii-U.

People do, and have every right to. Nintendo should not have released a console without a AAA launch title with it. WiiU was the first Nintendo home console to do this, and early sales have been horrendous. 3DS did this, and until the price cut and some good software, it wasn't putting out either.

Make a Wii U thread about this, and I'll agree, although I'll be hoping that Pikmin 3, W101, and Wii Fit turn sales around. I understand that I'm a minority for wanting to own Wii U for Pikmin 3 and X, but at least Wii U has some really sick games coming out.

Vita I'm just disappointed with, I'm loving my PSP btw, and see absolutely no reason to upgrade.

well I guess if does get a price cut and get those games will you be changing your tune.

mmmhmmm

I've bought every Playstation console when a Gran Turismo released, and I don't see that formula changing any time soon.

Until then, I'll enjoy PSP, which I just bought a year ago, and have over 20 games to enjoy



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Michael-5 said:
gooch_destroyer said:
Michael-5 said:
gooch_destroyer said:

you'd might as well rip on the Wii-U.

People do, and have every right to. Nintendo should not have released a console without a AAA launch title with it. WiiU was the first Nintendo home console to do this, and early sales have been horrendous. 3DS did this, and until the price cut and some good software, it wasn't putting out either.

Make a Wii U thread about this, and I'll agree, although I'll be hoping that Pikmin 3, W101, and Wii Fit turn sales around. I understand that I'm a minority for wanting to own Wii U for Pikmin 3 and X, but at least Wii U has some really sick games coming out.

Vita I'm just disappointed with, I'm loving my PSP btw, and see absolutely no reason to upgrade.

well I guess if does get a price cut and get those games will you be changing your tune.

mmmhmmm

I've bought every Playstation console when a Gran Turismo released, and I don't see that formula changing any time soon.

Until then, I'll enjoy PSP, which I just bought a year ago, and have over 20 games to enjoy

To tell you the truth, I hacked my PSP to see what's the big deal about CFW. and man it was great. Played GBA games SNES and Gensis games.



kupomogli said:
JWeinCom said:
MDMAlliance said:
kupomogli said:

I'd disagree.  The 3DS and Vita both have good games, but the Vita has more games that are good.  The problem with the Vita is that it shares most of the games with the PS3.  Opinion only, but if you were to compare like titles between 3DS and Vita, the Vita games have been much better quality whether it's graphics or gameplay.


Purely subjective and most gamers would disagree with that assessment. 


Well, for some more objective data...

Looking at retail games only the Vita has 16 games to score above an 80% average critic score.  Of the 16, 5 are exclusive to the Vita. 1 scored above 90% (Persona 4) and is not exclusive.  The 3DS has 22 games to score 80% or above.  Of those, 12 are exclusive to the 3DS.  One game (Re: Revelations) was a timed exclusive for 3DS.  3 games scored above a 90%.  Two of them (Fire Emblem Awakening, Super Mario 3D Land) were exclusives, and one (Ocarina of Time 3D) was non-exclusive. 

Some people are going to be all like "blah blah media is biased blah blah".  To those people, I say if you have a better objective source of information, let me know :)

 

) while the Vita has three retail games that score 80.

 

 

Like I confirmed in my second post.  Yes, I think most people are sheep.  Gives yet another reason to why Nintendo games are so prominent. 

"Journalist reviews are still subjective.  You don't think journalists have bias?  Sometimes there's more to sway them than just their opinion."

Like I said, show me a better unbiased source.  Individual reviewers might be be biased but the biases should cancel out unless you have a reason there is a pro Nintendo bias.

"I'll also point out that your scores are cherry picked.  You remove digital games and instead of 80 and above, you state above 80.  Why is that.  Not hard to figure out."

No retail games scored exactly an 80 so that had no impact.  As for why I didnt include digital games, there are several reasons.  First and foremost, retail games are what I believe people buy systems for mainly.  Secondly, there are a ton of digital games with one or two reviews that I don' feel like sifting through.  Third of all, I have no idea which of these obscure games have iPhone or Droid versions or whatever.  If you don't like the data, feel free to stop being lazy and do it yourself.

"Far less digital games on the 3DS, two instead of six, and the 3DS has only one game that scores 80(a digital game,"

Hahaha... You're joking, right?  There are two digital games on the 3DS?  Colors 3D, Pushmo, Crashmo, Art of Balance Touch, Cave Story, Gunman Clive, Mutant Mudds, VVVVVVV, Escape Vektor, Kokuga.  So, 2 games above 90, one exclusive.  (Gamerankings btw).  Four exclusives above 80 by my count and 10 overall.  On the Vita (only counting games with 5+ reviews as I did with the 3DS) there are 15.  I don't know how many of those are exclusive.  I know Guacamelee is, but nothing beyond that. 

"  Digital included that scored 80 and above is 25 on the Vita, 26 on the 3DS.  The 3DS still wins, but it's not cherry picking for the advantage of one over the other."

That's absolutely wrong.  22 for the 3DS plus 10 equals 32.  I'm not sure if your Vita data checks out, or how you're obtaining it. Besides, I don't think Guacamelee should have the same weigth as something like fire emblem awakening, and something like Gunman Clive that is available on everything under the sun shouldn't have the weight of Gravity Rush.

" One thing I can point out though is thatwith the Vita having far less games, the ratio of 80 and above games is far better on the Vita than the 3DS. "

And this matters... why?  Seriously, does the existence of Rabbids Rumble somehow make Kid Icarus Uprising less enjoyable?  Averages don't matter unless you're forced to buy the entire library of a console. 

"Resident Evil Revelations though.  After a year of mostly garbage on the 3DS, this is one of the first high profile games on the 3DS.  It also had the benefit of being released after Resident Evil 6, because even though it's a crappy game, it's still better by a long shot.  It was ported to the HD consoles recently.  How did that fare?  Pretty big coincidence that the HD consoles user score averages out to 7.4 with far more votes than the 3DS user score."

It's not a coincidence at all.  First off, the game had framerate issues across all three versions on HD consoles.  Secondly, the game was a year older and less fresh.  Third of all, they blew up a standard definition game to HD proportions.  Fourth of all, the game was divided into 15 minute or so levels that were really designed for a portable.

"There's also Nintendo first party games that score high just because they're Nintendo.  Sure it pushes hard towards opinion, but I made a post comparing a list of games against a lot of the recent Nintendo software that's been better, only to score lower.  Again it's just an opinion that proves nothing unless the people have played the games, but even then, most Nintendo fans probably wouldn't agree with it regardless of how piqued their interest is with these games.  They won't agree that 2D Mario games, etc, have been garbage for the past decade.  The only possible way to prove it as a fact is to some find prodigal gamers who haven't touched a game yet can instantly adapt to gamelpay like most gamers can, so they wouldnt' have any bias, then have them play through each game and give their unbiased opinion."

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh... so basically what you're saying is that your opinion is right and anyone who disagrees with you and enjoys 2D Mario games is wrong?  That by the way is pretty much the opposite of subjective.


What is not subjective is that the 3DS has a better library of games.  We could try this out again in a year when it will be more of a blowout :)



Nope, it still can't be played on my TV, so the system is useless to me.



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Actually was a terrible list. A lot of those games were reviewed poorly or can be found on other systems not to mention some of those aren't out yet. If it makes you feel better, I can think of another system with even worse games, but there is a good chance that will change by next year...



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homer said:
Actually was a terrible list. A lot of those games were reviewed poorly or can be found on other systems not to mention some of those aren't out yet. If it makes you feel better, I can think of another system with even worse games, but there is a good chance that will change by next year...


Of course most reviewed poorly, their on Vita. A system that people say they want AAA games and when they get them they say "this game doesn't feel right on portable" and give it a 6/10 or compare it to the PS360 versions. Then when it gets games suited for a portable they complain that they want AAA titles. Besides if you want to use reviews Vita has 56 games over 75 on Metacritic while 3DS has 59 games over 75... not a big difference.

Also those games I listed that aren't out yet are under a section called "Up Coming Vita Games", weird huh?



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