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zhao3gold said:


Firstly, I need to say I am not attacking PS3. Although I am 360 fan, I still have 3 systems and more than 60+ PS3 games. So please don't think I am attacking PS3. In fact, I quite love this system, though less than love my 360.

I am pretty sure that I saw many posts declaring that PS3 is destroying 360, PS3 is in the domination, PS3 is enjoying the sales momentum. But If we see the shipping figures, we will find that the shipment of X360 and PS3 is nearly equal to each other. So, why people is continuing saying X360 is dying, but PS3 is not.

I don't think it is fair to claim 360 is the only dying system (except Wii & Wii U).

BTW, I feel so sad about PSV. The shipment means it is not selling well, although much better than Wii U.

I never assumed you were attacking...tbh I'm not really familiar with your posts so I had no opinion one way or the other

I think you are mixing up a few things. From the sound of it you are referring to PS3 outselling 360 WW on a weekly basis...both are down YoY but ps3 is selling better. People use terms like playstation domination etc in a tongue in cheek manner for the most part...it's a bit of an exaggaration so don't take such remarks too seriously. Sony definitely has the upper hand in momentum going into next gen...whether they can maintain it or not is a different issue lol Sony tends to mess things up badly so who knows

All current gen systems are going down. Next gen is just around the corner after all :) 



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And I thought PS2 had relative higher shipment figures than we thought in the previous quarters. Why? Because Sony will run the last few PS2 productions and ship all the PS2 as many as possible worldwide to make it available for a certain time.

If you look at the figures, this quarter PS2 was dropped and the figures is dropped from 3.4 to 1.1. It is a huge drop in my opinion.

For the worldwide shipments, I think PS3 and X360 is nearly equal but in favor to PS3 leading slightly.



I see, Sony still didn't grow the balls to show all the numbers we want to see. Maybe next quarter, puberty has to come sooner or later.



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fallen said:

This 1.1m really exposed Sony. It showed most of the shipments the past year were PS2. To go from 3.4 to 1.1??? It just corroborates what i said all along, PS3 wasn't shipping vastly more compared to past years as some would have us believe in order to overtake 360, when every measure of it's recorded sales (NPD, media create etc) were declining in that time.

The only defense Sony guys could offer was "well PS3 must be taking off in other, emerging markets". Despite that, oddly, these other markets never showed up for PS3 until Sony combined PS2 and PS3 shipments so we didn't have an accurate picture anymore. The more reasonable speculation is the PS3 simply was shipping less than in the past, and therefore is still behind 360.

I bet X360 has shipped and sold more than PS3 worldwide. There's almost no doubt after this new info. Of course, 99% of the people on the internet will fight to the death otherwise. But that doesn't make it not true. It is true. Just like PS4 reserves 3GB RAM for the OS despite people dont want to believe...

Hi Dude, this is too much. Don't make yourself be the target of shooting from Sony fans...

I think PS3 is leading X360 worldwide shipment figure, but the gap is quite smaller than we thought...



zhao3gold said:
fallen said:

This 1.1m really exposed Sony. It showed most of the shipments the past year were PS2. To go from 3.4 to 1.1??? It just corroborates what i said all along, PS3 wasn't shipping vastly more compared to past years as some would have us believe in order to overtake 360, when every measure of it's recorded sales (NPD, media create etc) were declining in that time.

The only defense Sony guys could offer was "well PS3 must be taking off in other, emerging markets". Despite that, oddly, these other markets never showed up for PS3 until Sony combined PS2 and PS3 shipments so we didn't have an accurate picture anymore. The more reasonable speculation is the PS3 simply was shipping less than in the past, and therefore is still behind 360.

I bet X360 has shipped and sold more than PS3 worldwide. There's almost no doubt after this new info. Of course, 99% of the people on the internet will fight to the death otherwise. But that doesn't make it not true. It is true. Just like PS4 reserves 3GB RAM for the OS despite people dont want to believe...

Hi Dude, this is too much. Don't make yourself be the target of shooting from Sony fans...

I think PS3 is leading X360 worldwide shipment figure, but the gap is quite smaller than we thought...


I even did some math...the numbers in question where Sony combined PS2+PS3 before they discontinued PS2 are from April 2012 to March 2013...

 

During that year they shipped 16.5m PS2+PS3.

 

The prior year, from April 2011 to March 2012, they shipped 13.9m PS3.

 

So we can compare, Apr 11-Mar 12 vs Apr 12-Mar 13. What was happening to recorded PS3 sales in that time? They were falling, of course. So it's a certainty they also shipped less PS3.

 

Lets say they shipped about 10% less PS3 than the year prior. So, .9X13.9 gives us 12.5m PS3.

Add that to the 63.9m already shipped, plus the 1.1 just reported, you get 77.5m LTD.

 

360 LTD is currently 78.2. PS3 is behind.

 

And that's an extremely rosy assesment of PS3 sales! The likelyhood is that PS3 sales/shipments declined YoY Apr 2012-Mar 2013, much more than 10%. How can we tell? well we go to recorded sales. For this post I just took the quickest easiest one I could grab, NPD. What does it show? From April 11-March 12 PS3 sold 4,385,000 in NPD. From April 12-March 13 in NPD, PS3 sold 3,234,000. So we have a recorded sales decline in one of the largest markets, of about 26%. MUCH greater than the 10% figure that STILL leaves PS3 behind.

Now it'd be time consuming, but one could also check media create, amnd even by way of Nintendo slides, do a YoY Europe sales comparison. I am sure the PS3's sales decline is significantly more than 10% in both those, but even if it wasn't, PS3 WOULD STILL BE BEHIND.

 

360 has shipped sold more than PS3, more than likely (probably something like more than 99% likely). The only way PS3 is ahead is if it saw YoY shipment declines of less than 5%, while at the same times it's recorded sales in tracked markets where declining much much more than that.



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Well, these figures are somewhat worse than I was expecting. Massive drop for PS3, and it makes me question the tracking for the system we have been having all along.

Also, if VGC is right then I imagine the Vita shipped about 200k this quarter.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

fallen said:
zhao3gold said:
fallen said:

This 1.1m really exposed Sony. It showed most of the shipments the past year were PS2. To go from 3.4 to 1.1??? It just corroborates what i said all along, PS3 wasn't shipping vastly more compared to past years as some would have us believe in order to overtake 360, when every measure of it's recorded sales (NPD, media create etc) were declining in that time.

The only defense Sony guys could offer was "well PS3 must be taking off in other, emerging markets". Despite that, oddly, these other markets never showed up for PS3 until Sony combined PS2 and PS3 shipments so we didn't have an accurate picture anymore. The more reasonable speculation is the PS3 simply was shipping less than in the past, and therefore is still behind 360.

I bet X360 has shipped and sold more than PS3 worldwide. There's almost no doubt after this new info. Of course, 99% of the people on the internet will fight to the death otherwise. But that doesn't make it not true. It is true. Just like PS4 reserves 3GB RAM for the OS despite people dont want to believe...

Hi Dude, this is too much. Don't make yourself be the target of shooting from Sony fans...

I think PS3 is leading X360 worldwide shipment figure, but the gap is quite smaller than we thought...


I even did some math...the numbers in question where Sony combined PS2+PS3 before they discontinued PS2 are from April 2012 to March 2013...

 

During that year they shipped 16.5m PS2+PS3.

 

The prior year, from April 2011 to March 2012, they shipped 13.9m PS3.

 

So we can compare, Apr 11-Mar 12 vs Apr 12-Mar 13. What was happening to recorded PS3 sales in that time? They were falling, of course. So it's a certainty they also shipped less PS3.

 

Lets say they shipped about 10% less PS3 than the year prior. So, .9X13.9 gives us 12.5m PS3.

Add that to the 63.9m already shipped, plus the 1.1 just reported, you get 77.5m LTD.

 

360 LTD is currently 78.2. PS3 is behind.

 

And that's an extremely rosy assesment of PS3 sales! The likelyhood is that PS3 sales/shipments declined YoY Apr 2012-Mar 2013, much more than 10%. How can we tell? well we go to recorded sales. For this post I just took the quickest easiest one I could grab, NPD. What does it show? From April 11-March 12 PS3 sold 4,385,000 in NPD. From April 12-March 13 in NPD, PS3 sold 3,234,000. So we have a recorded sales decline in one of the largest markets, of about 26%. MUCH greater than the 10% figure that STILL leaves PS3 behind.

Now it'd be time consuming, but one could also check media create, amnd even by way of Nintendo slides, do a YoY Europe sales comparison. I am sure the PS3's sales decline is significantly more than 10% in both those, but even if it wasn't, PS3 WOULD STILL BE BEHIND.

 

360 has shipped sold more than PS3, more than likely (probably something like more than 99% likely). The only way PS3 is ahead is if it saw YoY shipment declines of less than 5%, while at the same times it's recorded sales in tracked markets where declining much much more than that.

Wow, this is really good work. I think you hit some points, but without any proof, it is just pure guess work. Let us wait who will firstly report hit 80million milestone to judge it.



CGI-Quality said:
Conegamer said:
Well, these figures are somewhat worse than I was expecting. Massive drop for PS3, and it makes me question the tracking for the system we have been having all along.

Also, if VGC is right then I imagine the Vita shipped about 200k this quarter.

Why do you question the tracking system? Are you claiming it's massively overtracked, somehow? If so, based on what? Beyond that, in the same post, you then say "if VGC is right" regarding the Vita.

Which is it?

That's what I mean. Is VGC right? I don't know. I do believe the PS3 is somewhat over tracked, probably around 300k, but Im not certain on it. I would say however that the PS360 are closer than it would seem on VGC. And my question with the tracking comes for Rest of World sales, really. I guess that's something we won't know to be true either way for some time, though.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

CGI-Quality said:

Nobody knows, for sure, no. At least, not yet. However, with all the recent data from different outlets, and our own figures, I'm inclined to believe what looks very apparent.

Ever since IDC released estimates that said PS3 shipped 78 million units and the 360 shipped 76 million, everyone has been saying the PS3 has passed the 360. I guess we'll never know until Sony and MS release the actual number. I guess we could also wait till when each console passes 80 million. I suppose then Sony and MS might release a press release or something after passing that amount. Whichever announces first will be in the lead.

But I do agree that it is much more likely that the PS3 is in the lead. 



    

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Well, I think PS3 was slightly behind X360 till 30th of June, 2013. Let us assume PS3 FY13 shipment is just 0.9million less than its FY12 figures that means 13.0million shipped in the last 12 months.

So 63.9+13.0+1.1 = 78.0million
Anyway, now we are in August. Based on the sell through figures in July, I think PS3 currently has slight lead over X360 worldwide in shipments.