Soundwave said: Einsam_Delphin said: Michael-5 said: spurgeonryan said: The game sold about 100,000 in it's first few days in Japan. It did not give the Wii U a huge boost, but this is just one game. One game a month and the Wii U all of a sudden shoots up. This is also only one week, if Wii U sales drop back down to 10,000 units weekly, no progress is made. Actually, after Pikmin 3's release, I'm a bit worried for the Wii U. I thought Pikmin 3, the first AAA exclusive for the Wii U, would have boosted sales a lot more in Japan. I thought hardware would have gone to 40,000 units or so, not just 22,200. I just hope this is enough to keep Wii U sales a bit higher, I now can't see Wii U outselling the PS3/360 until PS4/One or Super Mario 3D Worlds releases, and after the holidays I'm not longer confident that sales will continue to hold. --- P.S. It's actually 2 games because Super Luigi U released on the same day, and now Japan has nothing for over a month. It's just one game though, and as NSMBU has shown, it's gonna take much more than that. I believe most people buy systems for a collection of games, not solely just for one specific game. Pikmin 3 is a great game and it'll certainly help, but the Wii U's library as a whole is still very much lacking, and so it will continue to sell mediocre until this is fixed. Still, New Super Mario Bros. U + New Luigi U, Pikmin 3, and Nintendo Land are three pretty major efforts from EAD (granted I think they could've tried harder on Mario, but oh well). This ain't Steel Diver, Nintendogs, and Pilotwings Resort level. The system should be doing OK, at least better than the Dreamcast was doing in Japan its first year but it's well behind. I think home consoles are becoming extinct in Japan altogether sadly.

True those games sure beat out their initial line-up for 3DS even if you include the later released Ocarina 3D, however there's others factors such as price, advertising, game release consistency, and competition, all of which much worse for Wii U than for 3DS. And yeah Japan definitely favors handhelds for some reason. :L

Michael-5 said: Unless WiiU sales hold 20k weekly in Japan, I see no evidence that it will perform better then Gamecube within its first 52 weeks.

If you mean an average of 20k then it still wouldn't beat the Gamecube.  Garaph hasn't updated in a while.  The Wii U is at 32 weeks.  If it averaged 20k for the next 20 weeks, it would be at 1,382k.  A little less than 200k shy of the Gamecube's 52 week total.

Yakuzaice said: Einsam_Delphin said: Wasn't it a launch game, with that launch during the holidays? The Gamecube launched September 14th.  Pikmin on October 26th.  So no on both accounts.  As for whether the game released during the holidays, looking at sales, October seems to be a relatively weak month in Japan.  Regardless, we're talking about it selling just as much as Pikmin 3 on an install base a quarter the size of the Wii U's.

Well alright, but my opinion remains the same.

Well I never thought it was doomed but this week doesnt really prove anything. It was only about a 15k hardware boost which is big percentage wise but in total numbers isnt much. I believe that this is just the beginning of better things to come for Wii U.

Wii U sales will hopefully stay 10k+ for the next couple weeks then Lego City and W101 come out and should give a nice little boost themselves. Those titles should increase the baseline until Wind Waker/Party U release in Oct and boost sales again. Holidays have 3D World, DKC, Fit U so sales should be pretty decent the rest of the year.

Michael-5 said: Einsam_Delphin said: Michael-5 said: spurgeonryan said: The game sold about 100,000 in it's first few days in Japan. It did not give the Wii U a huge boost, but this is just one game. One game a month and the Wii U all of a sudden shoots up. This is also only one week, if Wii U sales drop back down to 10,000 units weekly, no progress is made. Actually, after Pikmin 3's release, I'm a bit worried for the Wii U. I thought Pikmin 3, the first AAA exclusive for the Wii U, would have boosted sales a lot more in Japan. I thought hardware would have gone to 40,000 units or so, not just 22,200. I just hope this is enough to keep Wii U sales a bit higher, I now can't see Wii U outselling the PS3/360 until PS4/One or Super Mario 3D Worlds releases, and after the holidays I'm not longer confident that sales will continue to hold. --- P.S. It's actually 2 games because Super Luigi U released on the same day, and now Japan has nothing for over a month. It's just one game though, and as NSMBU has shown, it's gonna take much more than that. I believe most people buy systems for a collection of games, not solely just for one specific game. Pikmin 3 is a great game and it'll certainly help, but the Wii U's library as a whole is still very much lacking, and so it will continue to sell mediocre until this is fixed. Gamecube released in September in Japan, so its big spike is late. However WiiU hardware appears to be selling at about the same rate as the Gamecube sold in Japan. Unless WiiU sales hold 20k weekly in Japan, I see no evidence that it will perform better then Gamecube within its first 52 weeks. Mind you, Gamecube had a lot of games after launch. Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, Mario Party 4, Metroid Prime, etc. So the fact that WiiU is keeping up with only Pikmin 3 and NSMBU so far, means that it's going to do better overall. Still, that red line is far, far below the blue one. WiiU really needed more then a 100% boost.....Wonderful 101 won't help much, so this means for another 3 months, Wii U sales will still be low. Then Wii Party U should fix things.

I believe the GC had more games and was cheaper priced than the Wii U during the same timeframe, so it should be selling more. If you're trying to say GC had games yet it still didn't sell, well, erm, here is my response! This is just my theory, but I think one of main the problems with the Gamecube other than the PS2's existence was it's overall appearance. I know, don't judge a book by it's cover, but does everyone follow that rule? Luigi became a ghostbuster, Mario became a powerwasher, Kirby a racing game, Zelda a cartoon, Metroid a FPS, etc., all wrapped up in a purple lunchbox. Even if appearance was not the issue, Nintendo and it's franchises have grown a lot since GC, so the Wii U will have more games of higher quality and more variety than the GC. That alone should enable the Wii U to sell more than GC. If not, then this generation likely being longer should help the Wii U sell more lol.

VGKing said: It doesn't prove anything, really. 22k is still really low and its unlikely to maintain even that level of sales. The game itself is also unlikely to have legs as it isn't a very popular IP and the install base is too low to support it. We've seen it with Vita. It gets a semi-big game once in a while and it gets a nice boost only to drop back down to "normal" a few weeks later. What's the next biggest Wii U release that can actually make any sort of difference?

From what I've seen here, Pikmin supposedly has legs.  We'll see soon enough though.

Yakuzaice said: Michael-5 said: Unless WiiU sales hold 20k weekly in Japan, I see no evidence that it will perform better then Gamecube within its first 52 weeks. If you mean an average of 20k then it still wouldn't beat the Gamecube.  Garaph hasn't updated in a while.  The Wii U is at 32 weeks.  If it averaged 20k for the next 20 weeks, it would be at 1,382k.  A little less than 200k shy of the Gamecube's 52 week total.

So, basically, at least for the first year, WiiU won't top Gamecube. Pikmin 3 really needed to boost the system a lot more then that.

WiiU needs 30k weekly to tie Gamecube, and it might get a little boost in early November, but not enough.

Einsam_Delphin said: Michael-5 said: Gamecube released in September in Japan, so its big spike is late. However WiiU hardware appears to be selling at about the same rate as the Gamecube sold in Japan. Unless WiiU sales hold 20k weekly in Japan, I see no evidence that it will perform better then Gamecube within its first 52 weeks. Mind you, Gamecube had a lot of games after launch. Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, Mario Party 4, Metroid Prime, etc. So the fact that WiiU is keeping up with only Pikmin 3 and NSMBU so far, means that it's going to do better overall. Still, that red line is far, far below the blue one. WiiU really needed more then a 100% boost.....Wonderful 101 won't help much, so this means for another 3 months, Wii U sales will still be low. Then Wii Party U should fix things. I believe the GC had more games and was cheaper priced than the Wii U during the same timeframe, so it should be selling more. If you're trying to say GC had games yet it still didn't sell, well, erm, here is my response! This is just my theory, but I think one of main the problems with the Gamecube other than the PS2's existence was it's overall appearance. I know, don't judge a book by it's cover, but does everyone follow that rule? Luigi became a ghostbuster, Mario became a powerwasher, Kirby a racing game, Zelda a cartoon, Metroid a FPS, etc., all wrapped up in a purple lunchbox. Even if appearance was not the issue, Nintendo and it's franchises have grown a lot since GC, so the Wii U will have more games of higher quality and more variety than the GC. That alone should enable the Wii U to sell more than GC. If not, then this generation likely being longer should help the Wii U sell more lol.

LOL

There was a lot of skeptecism against Metroid Prime being a FPA game and developed by a Western Studio. Actually Gamecube looked like a system which largely catered to Western gamers. Eternal Darkness sold poorly in Japan, and Luigi's Mansion, and a Purple Box appearance of the gamecube did make it look like a kids system.

However most of those games were not known about in Gamecubes 1st year. Zelda was a super cool looking HD Ocarina of Time type demo, which eventually got us Twilight Princess, and Smash Bros was a pretty good game.

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Wii U will sell a lot more then gamecube in the long run, just not in the first 52 weeks.

How many more games are going to be claimed 'the one that will save the wiiu' only to not meet expectations then be excused as 'well you cant expect a single game to fix things' thats nintendos entire problem, withoit third part titles to prop up the quiet periods, even if nintendo fans dont want to admit it, nintendo doesnt have the time or the franchise base to pull off single handedly satiating an entire hd platform.

until theres a aaa game per month youll simply see a small spike in unit sales with each release and back to little after that, when the xbox one and ps4 launch that spike is going to get smaller and smaller too

i have pikmin 3, i was one of those 100k ish that bougt it, and its about the first time my wiiu got switched on in months.

only to be switched off again an hour later

Michael-5 said: Einsam_Delphin said: Michael-5 said: Gamecube released in September in Japan, so its big spike is late. However WiiU hardware appears to be selling at about the same rate as the Gamecube sold in Japan. Unless WiiU sales hold 20k weekly in Japan, I see no evidence that it will perform better then Gamecube within its first 52 weeks. Mind you, Gamecube had a lot of games after launch. Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, Mario Party 4, Metroid Prime, etc. So the fact that WiiU is keeping up with only Pikmin 3 and NSMBU so far, means that it's going to do better overall. Still, that red line is far, far below the blue one. WiiU really needed more then a 100% boost.....Wonderful 101 won't help much, so this means for another 3 months, Wii U sales will still be low. Then Wii Party U should fix things. I believe the GC had more games and was cheaper priced than the Wii U during the same timeframe, so it should be selling more. If you're trying to say GC had games yet it still didn't sell, well, erm, here is my response! This is just my theory, but I think one of main the problems with the Gamecube other than the PS2's existence was it's overall appearance. I know, don't judge a book by it's cover, but does everyone follow that rule? Luigi became a ghostbuster, Mario became a powerwasher, Kirby a racing game, Zelda a cartoon, Metroid a FPS, etc., all wrapped up in a purple lunchbox. Even if appearance was not the issue, Nintendo and it's franchises have grown a lot since GC, so the Wii U will have more games of higher quality and more variety than the GC. That alone should enable the Wii U to sell more than GC. If not, then this generation likely being longer should help the Wii U sell more lol. LOL There was a lot of skeptecism against Metroid Prime being a FPA game and developed by a Western Studio. Actually Gamecube looked like a system which largely catered to Western gamers. Eternal Darkness sold poorly in Japan, and Luigi's Mansion, and a Purple Box appearance of the gamecube did make it look like a kids system. However most of those games were not known about in Gamecubes 1st year. Zelda was a super cool looking HD Ocarina of Time type demo, which eventually got us Twilight Princess, and Smash Bros was a pretty good game. --- Wii U will sell a lot more then gamecube in the long run, just not in the first 52 weeks.

Huh? I never said it would sell better in the first 52 weeks. The Wii U's 7 month drought pretty much made that impossible. I do believe the Wii U will sell more than GC lifetime though.