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enditall727 said:
Kasz216 said:
Zimmerman was fit and was supposedly taking MMS classes for a few weeks before the incident 

and according to his trainer he sucked at it

 

We have 2 scenarios. Zimmerman simply grabbed Trayvon and tried to hold him until the police got there(this is what i believe happened). Or Zimmerman got hit and was just trying to get Trayvon off off of him.

 except... we would have evidence if that were the case. Bruising on the arm from the grasp or a torn hoodie from trayvon pulling away and even jeantels testimony doesn't even support this.

I dont believe he actually tried to fight Trayvon. 

 that much is obvious. Zimmerman wasnt looking to confront Trayvon or else he would have done so without calling the cops... yeah know when trayvon walked past his car... or does it make perfect sense to call the cops (like youve done multiple times) before you go to confront someone (that you havent ever done before)

I believe he grabbed Trayvon and he started punching him for him to let go but Zimmerman kept his firm grip in hopeshopes that the police would get there in time. Zimmerman was screaming for somebody to come help him hold Trayvon down because he was getting beat being that he wouldn't let go so he ultimately shot him.

 that isn't supported by any evidence.

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Idk why but it just seems like he didn't try to fight him back. There were no marks on Trayvon and Zimmerman said that he wanted to stop Trayvon from hitting his head on the ground. It sounded like he was trying to hold or restrict him from being able to punch him. I could be wrong but i dont believe that Zimmerman ever said that he actually fought Trayvon back. 

He never said he hit trayvon. All the evidence supported Zimmermans story. Thats why there wasnt an original arrest. Trayvon had no marks and Zimmerman had a busted nose and scuffs on his head along with other bruising that was caused by at least 8 different hits according to the defenses ME... ya know the one the prosecutions ME cited... ya know the renowned ME who has no loyalty to either side.



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teigaga said:
Egann said:
Zimmerman in a nutshell: you can't prosecute people for making stupid decisions because stupidity 'ain't illegal.

If those stupid decsions result in a death, is that not manslaughter?

Only if you think its reasonable that a death could occur with those desicions. Getting out of the car is not illegal and is not lethal in any way. Why would Zimmerman expect he would need to defend himself if he got out of the car? So you are telling me that if Zimmerman actually lived in one of the houses that trayvon was by when he got shot Zimmerman should have stayed in the car because trayvon could have approced him when he pulled into his own drive way?



Serious_frusting said:
American laws are so screwed. He should have got locked up. The thought of someone stalking me whilst in possession of a gun is scary. You can get arrested in the UK for following someone. I dont care what colour these people are. Its irrelevant to the case.

The way it sounds to me,

Man follows boy.
Boy dont like it
Man and boy get into fight
Boy is winning?
man kills boy with gun.

Maybe you should have actually followed the story because none of that actually happened. Stalking is illegal. When detective was asked if Zimmerman did anything illegal following Trayvon the response was no. Prosecution threw around stalked all the time because their case was so weak they had to use shit like that. No, following someone as you report it to the authorities is in no way stalking. What really happened was:

Man follows suspicious looking TEENAGER/MAN and calls authorities due to break-ins in the neighborhood recently. If Trayvon can be tried as an adult in the courtroom why was he referred to as a boy in the court room? lol so stupid to call him a boy. More accurate would call him an man being that he is old enough to consent to sexual relationships and be tried as an adult.

Teenager doesn't like it, loses the pursuer and decides to turn around to confront pursuer.
Teenager sucker punches man, gets on top of the man and continues to punch him and slam his head into the pavement
Man defends his life.



Max King of the Wild said:
Serious_frusting said:
American laws are so screwed. He should have got locked up. The thought of someone stalking me whilst in possession of a gun is scary. You can get arrested in the UK for following someone. I dont care what colour these people are. Its irrelevant to the case.

The way it sounds to me,

Man follows boy.
Boy dont like it
Man and boy get into fight
Boy is winning?
man kills boy with gun.

Maybe you should have actually followed the story because none of that actually happened. Stalking is illegal. When detective was asked if Zimmerman did anything illegal following Trayvon the response was no. Prosecution threw around stalked all the time because their case was so weak they had to use shit like that. No, following someone as you report it to the authorities is in no way stalking. What really happened was:

Man follows suspicious looking TEENAGER/MAN and calls authorities due to break-ins in the neighborhood recently. If Trayvon can be tried as an adult in the courtroom why was he referred to as a boy in the court room? lol so stupid to call him a boy. More accurate would call him an man being that he is old enough to consent to sexual relationships and be tried as an adult.

Teenager doesn't like it, loses the pursuer and decides to turn around to confront pursuer.
Teenager sucker punches man, gets on top of the man and continues to punch him and slam his head into the pavement
Man defends his life.

But what made him follow this ONE boy out of all people? Why did he get out of the car? What made him confront this boy? And he is only 17 that is still a kid no matter how you try to spin it. A CHILD lost his life because a man ASSUMED he looked suspicious, followed him in his car, got out of his car, CONFRONTED the boy(seeing as he was the one following him then he had to of confronted him first) then they SUPPOSEDLY got into a fight(even though that is hear say as well) the boy was winning and then got shot.

I Agree the justice system worked because the prosecution did a HORRIBLE job and the defense did a muich better job, it is sad because if this man had not followed and confronted this boy he would still be alive today. The case in general though should not have went to the media like it did. And Zimmerman getting charged with NOTHING is just crazy. But that is the way the system works I guess.



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TheBlackNaruto said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Serious_frusting said:
American laws are so screwed. He should have got locked up. The thought of someone stalking me whilst in possession of a gun is scary. You can get arrested in the UK for following someone. I dont care what colour these people are. Its irrelevant to the case.

The way it sounds to me,

Man follows boy.
Boy dont like it
Man and boy get into fight
Boy is winning?
man kills boy with gun.

Maybe you should have actually followed the story because none of that actually happened. Stalking is illegal. When detective was asked if Zimmerman did anything illegal following Trayvon the response was no. Prosecution threw around stalked all the time because their case was so weak they had to use shit like that. No, following someone as you report it to the authorities is in no way stalking. What really happened was:

Man follows suspicious looking TEENAGER/MAN and calls authorities due to break-ins in the neighborhood recently. If Trayvon can be tried as an adult in the courtroom why was he referred to as a boy in the court room? lol so stupid to call him a boy. More accurate would call him an man being that he is old enough to consent to sexual relationships and be tried as an adult.

Teenager doesn't like it, loses the pursuer and decides to turn around to confront pursuer.
Teenager sucker punches man, gets on top of the man and continues to punch him and slam his head into the pavement
Man defends his life.

But what made him follow this ONE boy out of all people? Why did he get out of the car? What made him confront this boy? And he is only 17 that is still a kid no matter how you try to spin it. A CHILD lost his life because a man ASSUMED he looked suspicious, followed him in his car, got out of his car, CONFRONTED the boy(seeing as he was the one following him then he had to of confronted him first) then they SUPPOSEDLY got into a fight(even though that is hear say as well) the boy was winning and then got shot.

I Agree the justice system worked because the prosecution did a HORRIBLE job and the defense did a muich better job, it is sad because if this man had not followed and confronted this boy he would still be alive today. The case in general though should not have went to the media like it did. And Zimmerman getting charged with NOTHING is just crazy. But that is the way the system works I guess.


If you simply follow the case, the answers are there. he followed this boy because he did not know he lived in the apartments. Trayvon was staying with family, and did not usually live at the house he was at. So it was suspicous to see a stranger walking around. He didn't confront the boy, as far as we know. a 17 year old is not a child, sorry. A teenager, or a young adult, or an adult, but not a child. I know you CAPITOLIZED CONFRONT, but there is simply no evidence that he confronted Trayvon. Its not that the prosecution did a horrible job, they worked with the evidence they had. Have you watched the case or kept up to date on it at all before this thread? You can't just assume that he confronted him, there is just no evidence of that, especially when on the 911 call, he loses Trayvon.



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TheBlackNaruto said:

But what made him follow this ONE boy out of all people? Why did he get out of the car? What made him confront this boy? And he is only 17 that is still a kid no matter how you try to spin it. A CHILD lost his life because a man ASSUMED he looked suspicious, followed him in his car, got out of his car, CONFRONTED the boy(seeing as he was the one following him then he had to of confronted him first) then they SUPPOSEDLY got into a fight(even though that is hear say as well) the boy was winning and then got shot.

I Agree the justice system worked because the prosecution did a HORRIBLE job and the defense did a muich better job, it is sad because if this man had not followed and confronted this boy he would still be alive today. The case in general though should not have went to the media like it did. And Zimmerman getting charged with NOTHING is just crazy. But that is the way the system works I guess.

Why do you think Zimmerman only followed Trayvon. Have you ever been to a gated community? I know I have and been followed colsely while I was driving by a vehicle. Zimmerman was head of the watch. Zimmerman called the cops on multiple people. Zimmerman also most likely followed more. The fact that you still call him a child is just telling in every way. So, he has adult responsibilities... but fuck lets call him a child because it fits our agenda. The man never confronted the other adult.  Why did he have to be the one who confronted the other? Thats just poor logic and assumptions on your part. According to both Zimmerman and Jeantel, Trayvon lost Zimmerman. Also, if Zimmerman confronted Trayvon it would most likely be while on the phone with the authorities.

But hell lets just spew made up shit to make it seem like Zimmerman was the aggressor even though theres no evidence



thranx said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

But what made him follow this ONE boy out of all people? Why did he get out of the car? What made him confront this boy? And he is only 17 that is still a kid no matter how you try to spin it. A CHILD lost his life because a man ASSUMED he looked suspicious, followed him in his car, got out of his car, CONFRONTED the boy(seeing as he was the one following him then he had to of confronted him first) then they SUPPOSEDLY got into a fight(even though that is hear say as well) the boy was winning and then got shot.

I Agree the justice system worked because the prosecution did a HORRIBLE job and the defense did a muich better job, it is sad because if this man had not followed and confronted this boy he would still be alive today. The case in general though should not have went to the media like it did. And Zimmerman getting charged with NOTHING is just crazy. But that is the way the system works I guess.


If you simply follow the case, the answers are there. he followed this boy because he did not know he lived in the apartments. Trayvon was staying with family, and did not usually live at the house he was at. So it was suspicous to see a stranger walking around. He didn't confront the boy, as far as we know. a 17 year old is not a child, sorry. A teenager, or a young adult, or an adult, but not a child. I know you CAPITOLIZED CONFRONT, but there is simply no evidence that he confronted Trayvon. Its not that the prosecution did a horrible job, they worked with the evidence they had. Have you watched the case or kept up to date on it at all before this thread? You can't just assume that he confronted him, there is just no evidence of that, especially when on the 911 call, he loses Trayvon.

You are correct 17 is a young adult but in the eyes of a parent still a child but I still say though you are correct. I indeed followed the case which is why is said the prosecution indeed did a HORRIBLE job. I see strangers walking around all the time and I am sure he has as well. But still what made him follow this ONE particular boy(well young adult)? And if he did not confront Trayvon then how did they start fighting(well supposedly fighting)? I mean Trayvon was not following him? There are just a LOT of wholein this story if you ask me.

But again the justice system worked just not in the way most people felt it should have. It is a sad case....butone that happens every day sadly.



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Max King of the Wild said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
 

But what made him follow this ONE boy out of all people? Why did he get out of the car? What made him confront this boy? And he is only 17 that is still a kid no matter how you try to spin it. A CHILD lost his life because a man ASSUMED he looked suspicious, followed him in his car, got out of his car, CONFRONTED the boy(seeing as he was the one following him then he had to of confronted him first) then they SUPPOSEDLY got into a fight(even though that is hear say as well) the boy was winning and then got shot.

I Agree the justice system worked because the prosecution did a HORRIBLE job and the defense did a muich better job, it is sad because if this man had not followed and confronted this boy he would still be alive today. The case in general though should not have went to the media like it did. And Zimmerman getting charged with NOTHING is just crazy. But that is the way the system works I guess.

Why do you think Zimmerman only followed Trayvon. Have you ever been to a gated community? I know I have and been followed colsely while I was driving by a vehicle. Zimmerman was head of the watch. Zimmerman called the cops on multiple people. Zimmerman also most likely followed more. The fact that you still call him a child is just telling in every way. So, he has adult responsibilities... but fuck lets call him a child because it fits our agenda. The man never confronted the other adult.  Why did he have to be the one who confronted the other? Thats just poor logic and assumptions on your part. According to both Zimmerman and Jeantel, Trayvon lost Zimmerman. Also, if Zimmerman confronted Trayvon it would most likely be while on the phone with the authorities.

But hell lets just spew made up shit to make it seem like Zimmerman was the aggressor even though theres no evidence

Sure I have been to a gated community and been followed before. Sure he lost Trayvon but then no one says how the "confrontation" started which would be key evidence. It is missing for a reason, and as I stated in the eyes of a parent 17 is still a child(not sure why you brought up agendas or what not but whatever floats your boat). And it is not that I am trying to make stuff up. I am just wondering why the prosecution never bothered to push for more questions to be answered they let A LOT slip up under the table.

 

I have already said the defense did a MUCH better job. It was NO WHERE near enough evidence for a conviction, the prosecution just looked silly to me with their arguments  just hear say and since only Zimmerman is there to tell the story to his side then of course most of teh story will go with what he said.. And did not take the stand to testify(smartly I might add) just means that the ENTIRE case was nothing more then hear say. Again it is a sad inccedent no matter what side you are looking at it from....and again sadly one that happens everyday.

 

And relax you seem super emotional geez lol.



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TheBlackNaruto said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Serious_frusting said:
American laws are so screwed. He should have got locked up. The thought of someone stalking me whilst in possession of a gun is scary. You can get arrested in the UK for following someone. I dont care what colour these people are. Its irrelevant to the case.

The way it sounds to me,

Man follows boy.
Boy dont like it
Man and boy get into fight
Boy is winning?
man kills boy with gun.

Maybe you should have actually followed the story because none of that actually happened. Stalking is illegal. When detective was asked if Zimmerman did anything illegal following Trayvon the response was no. Prosecution threw around stalked all the time because their case was so weak they had to use shit like that. No, following someone as you report it to the authorities is in no way stalking. What really happened was:

Man follows suspicious looking TEENAGER/MAN and calls authorities due to break-ins in the neighborhood recently. If Trayvon can be tried as an adult in the courtroom why was he referred to as a boy in the court room? lol so stupid to call him a boy. More accurate would call him an man being that he is old enough to consent to sexual relationships and be tried as an adult.

Teenager doesn't like it, loses the pursuer and decides to turn around to confront pursuer.
Teenager sucker punches man, gets on top of the man and continues to punch him and slam his head into the pavement
Man defends his life.

But what made him follow this ONE boy out of all people? Why did he get out of the car? What made him confront this boy? And he is only 17 that is still a kid no matter how you try to spin it. A CHILD lost his life because a man ASSUMED he looked suspicious, followed him in his car, got out of his car, CONFRONTED the boy(seeing as he was the one following him then he had to of confronted him first) then they SUPPOSEDLY got into a fight(even though that is hear say as well) the boy was winning and then got shot.

I Agree the justice system worked because the prosecution did a HORRIBLE job and the defense did a muich better job, it is sad because if this man had not followed and confronted this boy he would still be alive today. The case in general though should not have went to the media like it did. And Zimmerman getting charged with NOTHING is just crazy. But that is the way the system works I guess.

Stop calling him a boy, you sound silly.

The media presented him as young, innocent Trayvon...

This is him on the night of the encounter...

A bit bigger and stronger than how he was portrayed, right?

Part of the problem is that the media deliberately portrayed him as a young looking, helpless 'little kid' to facilitate their false narrative, leading to the false perception many have today. Hell, they even called Zimmerman white even though he was hispanic, then went to 'white hispanic' after that... what the hell is a 'white hispanic'?? Now your race is determined not by ethnicity, but by how much of a tan you have? Would I be a 'brown caucasian' when I get a good tan? They just have to throw the word white in there to keep the 'white vs black' narrative, and many have sadly fallen for this race baiting for ratings. Trayvon was a big guy, obviously very capable of inflicting bodily harm on Zimmerman if he wanted to, not some hapless little 15 year old. He also had a history of fighting, otherwise known as a propensity for violence. There are two sides to every story, and if you've been sucking of the media's teat for this one, you've probably gotten some false info.

A little side note, a friend of our family lost her mom several years back, she was beaten to death by a 'boy' (by your definition) about 6'3" (Trayvon was 6'2") who was just a few months older than Trayvon. She 'looked at him wrong' and he beat her senseless. After she went unconsious, he got up and kicked/stomped her until her internal organs were bleeding. he had no rap sheet, but was into the 'thug life'. she died on Christmas eve a couple days after the incident. That 'boy' was tried as an adult and is serving the rest of his life behind bars. Who's to say that Zimmerman wouldn't have been beaten to death had he not defended himself? His statement to police said that Trayvon told him 'You're going to die tonight muthf*****'. Should he have just laid there and let himself be beaten, hoping that he would survive so as not to offend anybody? The lack of any common sense in your 'argument' is just sad. Had the races been reversed, this wouldn't even be in the news, and if it was, the same people who sided with Trayvon would have sided with the dude who shot the white guy in self defense. Race should not be an issue, the evidence should.

  • Zimmerman tried to follow Martin in his car after dialing 911.
  • Zimmerman left his car to follow Martin (not a good idea, but also not illegal)
  • Martin "approached him" and asked, "You got a problem?" Zimmerman said no, and Martin responded, "You do now."
  • Martin punched Zimmerman in the face, Zimmerman fell backwards. Martin jumped on top of him. - TRAVON STARTED THE VIOLENT ENCOUNTER, THIS IS BACKED UP BY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.
  • Zimmerman yelled for help multiple times, but Martin told him to "shut the f*** up." Martin started smashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.
  • Martin went to grab for Zimmerman's now exposed firearm and said, "You're gonna die tonight, mothaf*****."
  • Zimmerman unholstered the gun first and shot Martin.
  •  

    The above sequence of events is what Zimmerman said happend, and what the evidence seems to point to as well. Though it is a tragedy that Trayvon died, this was not murder, or even manslaughter by the law. I would hope that I would be allowed to defend myself if I felt somebody was trying to beat me to death regardless of his skin color... just sayin'.



    Look if Martin was 27, 35 or 42 this case is barely more than 10 o clock news fodder. But since he was 17, Obama was looking for another way to push his gun control agenda and this was it, plus he could also be a champion for the black community.

    Not guilty was the only possible verdict.