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enditall727 on 15 July 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
enditall727 said:
Kasz216 said:
Zimmerman was fit and was supposedly taking MMS classes for a few weeks before the incident 

and according to his trainer he sucked at it

 

We have 2 scenarios. Zimmerman simply grabbed Trayvon and tried to hold him until the police got there(this is what i believe happened). Or Zimmerman got hit and was just trying to get Trayvon off off of him.

 except... we would have evidence if that were the case. Bruising on the arm from the grasp or a torn hoodie from trayvon pulling away and even jeantels testimony doesn't even support this.

I dont believe he actually tried to fight Trayvon. 

 that much is obvious. Zimmerman wasnt looking to confront Trayvon or else he would have done so without calling the cops... yeah know when trayvon walked past his car... or does it make perfect sense to call the cops (like youve done multiple times) before you go to confront someone (that you havent ever done before)

I believe he grabbed Trayvon and he started punching him for him to let go but Zimmerman kept his firm grip in hopeshopes that the police would get there in time. Zimmerman was screaming for somebody to come help him hold Trayvon down because he was getting beat being that he wouldn't let go so he ultimately shot him.

 that isn't supported by any evidence.

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Idk why but it just seems like he didn't try to fight him back. There were no marks on Trayvon and Zimmerman said that he wanted to stop Trayvon from hitting his head on the ground. It sounded like he was trying to hold or restrict him from being able to punch him. I could be wrong but i dont believe that Zimmerman ever said that he actually fought Trayvon back. 

He never said he hit trayvon. All the evidence supported Zimmermans story. Thats why there wasnt an original arrest. Trayvon had no marks and Zimmerman had a busted nose and scuffs on his head along with other bruising that was caused by at least 8 different hits according to the defenses ME... ya know the one the prosecutions ME cited... ya know the renowned ME who has no loyalty to either side.


Its not about Zimmerman "sucking" at it. That dude was fit. I dont believe he fought Trayvon back anyways so him "sucking" doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

I've grabbed and took people down PLENTY of times and i never got any bruses or ripped clothes. Evidence for "grabbing/holding" somebody? Lol

 

And Jeantels testimony DOES support that speculation. Jeantel heard the scuffle as it broke out. She said Trayvon was running( which he shouldn't have did) and she told him to keep running because he stopped and didn't want to run anymore being that he thought he lost Zimmerman and he was close by his house. Then Trayvon says out of knowhere "oh shit! The nigga is behind me!" So Trayvon eventually says "what are you following me for" and Zimmerman responds "What are you doing around here?" Then hears a bump from the micas if another body came up against his body(like somebody grabbed him). Then she hears Trayvon constantly saying "get off! Get off!" 

 

Some think she's lying about that part though. She was agonizingly hard to understand because she supposedly said tge phone cut off after the 1st bump. You cant really tell if she thought the phone cut off but it didn't because of the bump or if it just cut off according to her.

 

Zimmerman also had to have eventually wanted to confront him for him to call the police and to get out of his car to look for him telling the police to call him back when thet got there

 

And again, my speculatiinspeculation is supportefsupported by evidence..



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Slimebeast on 15 July 2013
secpierre34 said:
Slimebeast said:

What do you mean "a fight ensues"? A physical fight magically ensues?

A thug starts to beat an innocent man. Then the man shoots in self defense according to right of law. There's indisputable evidence of that since one man was injured in the face and backhead and the other one was not.


You clearly did not follow the case. Zimmerman approached Trayvon while he was walking back home because he thought Trayvon was "suspicious". Why did he think trayvon was suspicious, was not specified beside a hoodie and his fucking skin color. Then he asked trayvon to stop while the latter tried to avoid. There are tape recordings that go with this story. He then called the police who told him to leave the boy alone, he responded verbatim "THEY always get away". Get away from what, who the fuck is they in this guy's mind. So he follows Trayvon and starts to harass him, I don't know about you but if a stranger is following me, which Trayvon said on his phone according to witness testimony, I will either run or fight them. The court did not rule that he didn't caused the fight. They ruled that he was in danger. And perhaps he was, there are too many unknowns, but what we do know for fact is that Mr. Zimmerman started the confrontation. So he instigated the whole affair and when it turned sour for him he shot the guy

You would fight a stranger if he was just following you?

That's crazy behaviour. No wonder you're taking Trevyon's side in this case then. But the law is not on your side.



timmah on 15 July 2013
enditall727 said:


Its not about Zimmerman "sucking" at it. That dude was fit. I dont believe he fought Trayvon back anyways so him "sucking" doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

I've grabbed and took people down PLENTY of times and i never got any bruses or ripped clothes. Evidence for "grabbing/holding" somebody? Lol

 

And Jeantels testimony DOES support that speculation. Jeantel heard the scuffle as it broke out. She said Trayvon was running( which he shouldn't have did) and she told him to keep running because he stopped and didn't want to run anymore being that he thought he lost Zimmerman and he was close by his house. Then Trayvon says out of knowhere "oh shit! The nigga is behind me!" So Trayvon eventually says "what are you following me for" and Zimmerman responds "What are you doing around here?" Then hears a bump from the micas if another body came up against his body(like somebody grabbed him). Then she hears Trayvon constantly saying "get off! Get off!" 

 

Some think she's lying about that part though. She was agonizingly hard to understand because she supposedly said tge phone cut off after the 1st bump. You cant really tell if she thought the phone cut off but it didn't because of the bump or if it just cut off according to her.

 

Zimmerman also had to have eventually wanted to confront him for him to call the police and to get out of his car to look for him telling the police to call him back when thet got there

 

And again, my speculatiinspeculation is supportefsupported by evidence..

How do we know that she actually heard Trayvon shouting 'get off' over and over? Is she more credible than the voice experts who could not even determine themselves who was screaming for help?  Her testomony doesn't line up with the physical evidence that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, beating his head into the concrete (based on injuries), or the Eyewitness who described Trayvon as being on top, straddling Zimmerman and beating him 'ground and pound, MMA style' while the person on the bottom yelled for help. It's reasonable to speculate that she heard somebody screaming 'get off' and just assumed it was Trayvon. It makes more sense that the person who was getting beaten would call for help or yell 'get off', does it not?

Eliminate race and emotion for a second and answer this. Person A was confirmed to be on top of Person B during an altercation, beating him. Person B had injuries to the face and back of the head, while person A had only bruising to the knuckles.

Who is more likely to be calling for help or saying 'get off', person A (on top, doing the beating), or person B (underneath, being beaten)?

That is called reasonable doubt (along with a whole host of other problems with the prosecution's case), which is why the jury could not convict Zimmerman. A jury cannot convict based on speculation, and it has to be beyond 'reasonable doubt'. Why is this so hard for people to understand?



dallas on 15 July 2013

The black panthers are gonna be out toting shotguns bc of this



enditall727 on 15 July 2013
timmah said:
enditall727 said:


Its not about Zimmerman "sucking" at it. That dude was fit. I dont believe he fought Trayvon back anyways so him "sucking" doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

I've grabbed and took people down PLENTY of times and i never got any bruses or ripped clothes. Evidence for "grabbing/holding" somebody? Lol

 

And Jeantels testimony DOES support that speculation. Jeantel heard the scuffle as it broke out. She said Trayvon was running( which he shouldn't have did) and she told him to keep running because he stopped and didn't want to run anymore being that he thought he lost Zimmerman and he was close by his house. Then Trayvon says out of knowhere "oh shit! The nigga is behind me!" So Trayvon eventually says "what are you following me for" and Zimmerman responds "What are you doing around here?" Then hears a bump from the micas if another body came up against his body(like somebody grabbed him). Then she hears Trayvon constantly saying "get off! Get off!" 

 

Some think she's lying about that part though. She was agonizingly hard to understand because she supposedly said tge phone cut off after the 1st bump. You cant really tell if she thought the phone cut off but it didn't because of the bump or if it just cut off according to her.

 

Zimmerman also had to have eventually wanted to confront him for him to call the police and to get out of his car to look for him telling the police to call him back when thet got there

 

And again, my speculatiinspeculation is supportefsupported by evidence..

How do we know that she actually heard Trayvon shouting 'get off' over and over? Is she more credible than the voice experts who could not even determine themselves who was screaming for help?  Her testomony doesn't line up with the physical evidence that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, beating his head into the concrete (based on injuries), or the Eyewitness who described Trayvon as being on top, straddling Zimmerman and beating him 'ground and pound, MMA style' while the person on the bottom yelled for help. It's reasonable to speculate that she heard somebody screaming 'get off' and just assumed it was Trayvon. It makes more sense that the person who was getting beaten would call for help or yell 'get off', does it not?

Eliminate race and emotion for a second and answer this. Person A was confirmed to be on top of Person B during an altercation, beating him. Person B had injuries to the face and back of the head, while person A had only bruising to the knuckles.

Who is more likely to be calling for help or saying 'get off', person A (on top, doing the beating), or person B (underneath, being beaten)?

That is called reasonable doubt, which is why the jury could not convict Zimmerman. A jury cannot convict based on speculation. Why is this so hard for people to understand?


She was on the phone with Trayvon and that's what she said. I also stated in that comment that people think she lied about that part

 

She was ON THE PHONE WITH TRAYVON so she heard "him" say it

 

You dont know when they fell on the ground so i dont see why you are attempting to argue that lol

 

Seems like you are implying that its impossible for Trayvon to have said "get off me" when getting grabbed before hitting them making them scream for help so somebody can help hold him down

 

This comment also seems like an attempt to force your opinion on me



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scat398 on 15 July 2013

I have been truly embarrassed by the racist liberal population of our country these past few days. Watching people lie, and defend a person who chose to attack another person simply because he was following him.

I know George Zimmerman was a dumbass for getting out of his car, but the irony of these liberals to protest in the name of peace for a person that is dead today because he chose violence is truly moronic.

The race baiters have been out in full force, we have heard every classic liberal lie "what do I tell my kids", "walking while black", one of the best was on msnbc just this morning when an old white man talked about his sons and said " I have never had to tell my three sons to run from the cops".

Liberals are destroying this country and the world with this separation and this us vs. them mentality.



sales2099 on 15 July 2013

Can someone give me the rough breakdown of the situation. The crime in question, the main suspects, and why this ruling is justified/makes sense?



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Slimebeast on 15 July 2013

This case makes me feel bad in the stomach. It's now on the Swedish news too.

So politicized. Endless white guilt blurring view, and minorities mostly just caring about their own interests no matter if it's morally right. It's a bad combo.



timmah on 15 July 2013
enditall727 said:
timmah said:

How do we know that she actually heard Trayvon shouting 'get off' over and over? Is she more credible than the voice experts who could not even determine themselves who was screaming for help?  Her testomony doesn't line up with the physical evidence that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, beating his head into the concrete (based on injuries), or the Eyewitness who described Trayvon as being on top, straddling Zimmerman and beating him 'ground and pound, MMA style' while the person on the bottom yelled for help. It's reasonable to speculate that she heard somebody screaming 'get off' and just assumed it was Trayvon. It makes more sense that the person who was getting beaten would call for help or yell 'get off', does it not?

Eliminate race and emotion for a second and answer this. Person A was confirmed to be on top of Person B during an altercation, beating him. Person B had injuries to the face and back of the head, while person A had only bruising to the knuckles.

Who is more likely to be calling for help or saying 'get off', person A (on top, doing the beating), or person B (underneath, being beaten)?

That is called reasonable doubt, which is why the jury could not convict Zimmerman. A jury cannot convict based on speculation. Why is this so hard for people to understand?


She was on the phone with Trayvon and that's what she said. I also stated in that comment that people think she lied about that part

 

She was ON THE PHONE WITH TRAYVON so she heard "him" say it

 

You dont know when they fell on the ground so i dont see why you are attempting to argue that lol

 

Seems like you are implying that its impossible for Trayvon to have said "get off me" when getting grabbed before hitting them making them scream for help so somebody can help hold him down

 

This comment also seems like an attempt to force your opinion on me

Still speculation, you want a jury to convict on that? Did she hear Trayvon say 'get off' while he was holding the phone, or had he dropped it and jumped on Zimmerman and she actually heard Zimmerman? Is there any way to prove this beyond doubt based on one person's testomony of a cell phone call? Is it possible for her to determine 100% who's voice she heard when voice experts could not? She's also not an eyewitness, only hearing distorted sound over a phone (yes, a phone distorts sound by definition when it compresses it for digital cellular transmission, distortion is even worse when the person is yelling). I don't think you're understanding what reasonable doubt is, and that there was a ton of reasonable doubt, as well as physical evidence and an eyewitness that Zimmerman was being beaten before he fired. Obviously nobody can say 100% whether she heard Trayvon or Zimmerman, which is, by definition, reasonable doubt.



drunk on 15 July 2013
Slimebeast said:
secpierre34 said:
Slimebeast said:

What do you mean "a fight ensues"? A physical fight magically ensues?

A thug starts to beat an innocent man. Then the man shoots in self defense according to right of law. There's indisputable evidence of that since one man was injured in the face and backhead and the other one was not.


You clearly did not follow the case. Zimmerman approached Trayvon while he was walking back home because he thought Trayvon was "suspicious". Why did he think trayvon was suspicious, was not specified beside a hoodie and his fucking skin color. Then he asked trayvon to stop while the latter tried to avoid. There are tape recordings that go with this story. He then called the police who told him to leave the boy alone, he responded verbatim "THEY always get away". Get away from what, who the fuck is they in this guy's mind. So he follows Trayvon and starts to harass him, I don't know about you but if a stranger is following me, which Trayvon said on his phone according to witness testimony, I will either run or fight them. The court did not rule that he didn't caused the fight. They ruled that he was in danger. And perhaps he was, there are too many unknowns, but what we do know for fact is that Mr. Zimmerman started the confrontation. So he instigated the whole affair and when it turned sour for him he shot the guy

You would fight a stranger if he was just following you?

That's crazy behaviour. No wonder you're taking Trevyon's side in this case then. But the law is not on your side.

plenty of people would fight.  there's a seriously negative connotation with stalking.  muggers do it, rapists, pedophiles, crazed lover, etc.... Zimmerman's  got to be a naive tool to think stalking wouldn't illicit a negative reaction.  maybe women wouldn't try and beat your ass but men would, especially at night.  is it okay to fight your stalker? it depends... but regardless, you antagonize someone enough, then fists will be flying whether you like it or not.  and yes stalking is a form of harassment.  thats why you listen to the cops because they know the outcome of these confrontations.  and why this tool have a gun in public in the first place.  guns give you a sense of invincibility... and make you do dumb things you normally wouldn't do.

antagonize someone into fighting you, then you can shoot him.  one way to avoid murder charges