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timmah said:
enditall727 said:


Its not about Zimmerman "sucking" at it. That dude was fit. I dont believe he fought Trayvon back anyways so him "sucking" doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

I've grabbed and took people down PLENTY of times and i never got any bruses or ripped clothes. Evidence for "grabbing/holding" somebody? Lol

 

And Jeantels testimony DOES support that speculation. Jeantel heard the scuffle as it broke out. She said Trayvon was running( which he shouldn't have did) and she told him to keep running because he stopped and didn't want to run anymore being that he thought he lost Zimmerman and he was close by his house. Then Trayvon says out of knowhere "oh shit! The nigga is behind me!" So Trayvon eventually says "what are you following me for" and Zimmerman responds "What are you doing around here?" Then hears a bump from the micas if another body came up against his body(like somebody grabbed him). Then she hears Trayvon constantly saying "get off! Get off!" 

 

Some think she's lying about that part though. She was agonizingly hard to understand because she supposedly said tge phone cut off after the 1st bump. You cant really tell if she thought the phone cut off but it didn't because of the bump or if it just cut off according to her.

 

Zimmerman also had to have eventually wanted to confront him for him to call the police and to get out of his car to look for him telling the police to call him back when thet got there

 

And again, my speculatiinspeculation is supportefsupported by evidence..

How do we know that she actually heard Trayvon shouting 'get off' over and over? Is she more credible than the voice experts who could not even determine themselves who was screaming for help?  Her testomony doesn't line up with the physical evidence that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, beating his head into the concrete (based on injuries), or the Eyewitness who described Trayvon as being on top, straddling Zimmerman and beating him 'ground and pound, MMA style' while the person on the bottom yelled for help. It's reasonable to speculate that she heard somebody screaming 'get off' and just assumed it was Trayvon. It makes more sense that the person who was getting beaten would call for help or yell 'get off', does it not?

Eliminate race and emotion for a second and answer this. Person A was confirmed to be on top of Person B during an altercation, beating him. Person B had injuries to the face and back of the head, while person A had only bruising to the knuckles.

Who is more likely to be calling for help or saying 'get off', person A (on top, doing the beating), or person B (underneath, being beaten)?

That is called reasonable doubt, which is why the jury could not convict Zimmerman. A jury cannot convict based on speculation. Why is this so hard for people to understand?


She was on the phone with Trayvon and that's what she said. I also stated in that comment that people think she lied about that part

 

She was ON THE PHONE WITH TRAYVON so she heard "him" say it

 

You dont know when they fell on the ground so i dont see why you are attempting to argue that lol

 

Seems like you are implying that its impossible for Trayvon to have said "get off me" when getting grabbed before hitting them making them scream for help so somebody can help hold him down

 

This comment also seems like an attempt to force your opinion on me