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Zimmerman in a nutshell: you can't prosecute people for making stupid decisions because stupidity 'ain't illegal.



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Soundwave said:
Kasz216 said:
enditall727 said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:

 


 

 

Regarding the last bit, that's pretty much what I think happened too.

But a kid (good or bad) shouldn't have to pay a price of their life because an individual was trying to prove something to himself (well intentioned or not). 

If you're a "scared little child" deep down, don't walk around pretending to play a role that should be handled by a fully trained and identifiable police officer. There's a reason why police officers recieve training to handle situations like this.


I don't disagree.  The situation shouldn't of happened, but just because something shouldn't of happened doesn't mean what happened was criminal.



Egann said:
Zimmerman in a nutshell: you can't prosecute people for making stupid decisions because stupidity 'ain't illegal.

If those stupid decsions result in a death, is that not manslaughter?



Kasz216 said:
Soundwave said:
Kasz216 said:
enditall727 said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:

 


 

 

Regarding the last bit, that's pretty much what I think happened too.

But a kid (good or bad) shouldn't have to pay a price of their life because an individual was trying to prove something to himself (well intentioned or not). 

If you're a "scared little child" deep down, don't walk around pretending to play a role that should be handled by a fully trained and identifiable police officer. There's a reason why police officers recieve training to handle situations like this.


I don't disagree.  The situation shouldn't of happened, but just because something shouldn't of happened doesn't mean what happened was criminal.


It's not criminal (perhaps). I agree that Zimmerman probably just panicked and it was accidental in that sense.

Still ... it's monumentally stupid on his part, and a kid is dead because of a situation that really he provoked/created out of nothing because basically he was unwilling to sit and wait for the real police to show up.



American laws are so screwed. He should have got locked up. The thought of someone stalking me whilst in possession of a gun is scary. You can get arrested in the UK for following someone. I dont care what colour these people are. Its irrelevant to the case.

The way it sounds to me,

Man follows boy.
Boy dont like it
Man and boy get into fight
Boy is winning?
man kills boy with gun.



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teigaga said:
Egann said:
Zimmerman in a nutshell: you can't prosecute people for making stupid decisions because stupidity 'ain't illegal.

If those stupid decsions result in a death, is that not manslaughter?

Well... not really.  

Too prove manslaughterthey would essentially have to prove that Zimmerman should have known that  it was likely that if you followed a black kid would mean he would jump you.  (Since you'd have to cede a lot of the story to Zimmerman's side, since a prosecution can really only argue one interpretation of the crime.)

I imagine prosecutors didn't see this as a credible arguement.  

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/13/3499114/state-never-proved-its-case-legal.html

pretty much does a great job showing just how weak the case was as far as evidence goes.

Which, we require evidence even when we think someone is definitly guilty for a very good reason.



Pretty annoyed with the Prosecution closing statement.

"This isn't about standing your ground, its about staying in your car."

Can you imagine if everyone adopted this cowardly attitude.

America would have lost every war it ever had and United 93 would have been flown straight into the White house with everyone sat meekly in their seats.



bobgamez said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
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Mmmfishtacos said:
Mr Khan said:
Something really should be happening to this guy. I doubt he had lethal intent, but it's clear that he needs to learn that guns kill people, and that if it hadn't been a black teenager he killed, he would have gotten in a lot of trouble

Sorry, People should learn not to attack people in FL, you will lose your life, doesn’t matter if kid was only going to beat him up. He had the right and he used it. The fact is this only went this far because the kid was black. Nothing more. This should have never went to trial. The law is clear.

so i suppose you completely disregard the fact that zimmerman pursued the kid and initiated whatever conflict they had?

He followed someone he found to be suspicious in his neighborhood he was in his right to do so. In other words it's not illigal. The kid should have just kept on till his dads house, and not snuck up and attacked Zimmerman. 

poliec told him not to follow him, he followed him. If a man follows me in a car, i start to run, i hide, and if the guy gets out the car and walks towards me in a bush i act in self defense, its quite clear he messed up big time

I've heard this nonsense so many times it's really starting to bother me. Just because you pretend something is true does not make it true. Now, do you really believe that when you call 911, you speak directly to the police, or are you just deliberately inventing this false statement to make a nonexistent argument? When you call 911, you speak to a 911 operator, who is a civilian just like you or me. Sucker punching somebody from behind a bush and banging their head into the concrete while on top of them (as Trayvon allegedly did) is not self defense, it is aggravated assault. That's what the evidence suggests, that's what the jury had to make their decision on. Let me get this straight, you're saying if a guy 'walks towards you', you can just beat the shit out of him because you don't know his motives? Your argument is so weak it's kind of funny.

Granted, we can't know everything in this case for certain, but it does appear from the evidence that at the time Zimmerman pulled the trigger, it was self defense by law. It's obviously a terrible tragedy that Trayvon lost his life, but it does not appear that he was just some innocent kid in all this, nor was there any evidence this was race based. He was thought to be suspicious because he was walking along the front of the homes instead of on the street or sidewalk (IE, trespassing across everyone's yard). If I saw this in my neighborhood , I would be a bit suspicious as well, regardless of whether the person was white, black, or purple.



chapset said:
Cobretti2 said:
chapset said:
killerzX said:
chapset said:
I didn't know bleeding nose and some scrapes behind the back of the head were reasons enough to use deadly force if that's the case be careful the next time you are involved in a fight.

yes, its called assault, you are allowed to defend yourself from that.

at what point in the beating would you have permitted zimmerman to use lethal force?

Should he have waited until his face was completely fractured, he was spitting up his own teeth, the skin on the back of his head torn, and rubbed raw to the bone?

at what point should he have been allowed to defend himself. for most people, with common sense, you can defend yourself the moment the assault begins.

 

i know if i ever get assaulted, im not waiting until im bloody and broken to defend myself, im shooting him as soon as he attacks me. if i wait, it may very well be to late.

Lol how about the 28 year old 180-200 pound guy defend himself using his fists, wtf is wrong with that, work for me when i was in high school and had to get shit done, Americans can't wait for a reason to shoot shit up you get a good idea about that from watching how your cops act

 

yes you do

Exactly, the perp was at fault, yes, but that cop couldn't wait to shoot shit up, had to use his freedom

In that instance, looks like the dog lunged at the cop while he was trying to grab the dogs collar after the guy screamed don't shoot my dog, somebody get my dog.



Soundwave said:


IMO this is a situation where you need to be trained as a police officer to know what the hell you're doing. You also need to be in this situation identifiable as a police officer.

The 911 dispatcher told him to go follow the suspect? Really? If so, that's two people not using any common sense.

If you're not a freaking actual police officer and have no real police training, then approaching/following private citizens on suspcion of criminal activity armed with a weapon is "playing cops and robbers" as far as I'm concerned.

Stay in your car and let people who are actually trained for that situation to handle it, even if the kid is a robber, possessions can be replaced or reimbursed, someone's life cannot.



Why do you need to be a police officer to follow and report a suspicious person? No, the 911 operator suggested (didn't tell) that they didn't need him to follow and george said "okay" and he stopped following trayvon. There is a huge difference between approching and following.