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Well, they are given reparations. They're typically the only race allowed to build casinos, they don't have to follow US law on their reservations, since their reservations are technically not US soil, and they're also given free college tuition, among other things.

Which is all fine. We completely decimated their race, when we went out into the frontier and decided we wanted the land for ourselves. But, don't say they need reparations when they're already given so many.



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i'm not sure what you think reparations are going to accomplish?? Native Americans have become way too dependent on the government the way it is, the best thing for them would be to be left alone. If there is something they might need help with it would be preserving their culture not giving handouts. The US government has done a lot of damage to native americans in the name of helping them.



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The Trail of Tears is a stain of blood on our nation's history.  It was... just beyond tragic what happened.  Andrew Jackson and some others in power at the time were bastards.  I think it's bullshit that he gets his picture on the $20 bill.

I feel like the least we could do is give the Natives their reservations where they can live freely and don't have to abide by our laws, since their civilization LONG pre-dates ours.

Not entirely sure it helps them to have a monopoly on gambling casinos, and be given so much money, as others in this thread have pointed out.   Regardless... reservations are in fact reparations, and it may not be fair, or just, but neither is life.  It's not the government's role to dole out what's "fair", and even if it were, it's impossible to ever be completely fair to everyone anyways.



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We gave them a hell of a lot more reparations than we gave England. I don't see the point or logic in doing so.



Ssliasil said:
burninmylight said:
Ssliasil said:
Dude, American Natives have the best living situations in the fucking country!

They get so many benefits, No taxes, Discounts on everything, huge food stamp benefits without questions, utilities are mostly paid for by the government, and they have Casinos.

What the hell more do you want?

It's been 300 fucking years, get over it for christs sake.


You've never met a Native American, have you?

I live in Maine, they are all over the place, I have some native blood in me as well. 

 

Doesnt stop my point from being correct. 


You haven't said a single thing proving yourself correct. I live in Oklahoma with my girlfriend, a Navajo from New Mexico. She'll be the first one to tell you that you're mostly full of it. For one, you can't lump every single American Indian together under the same umbrella. Every tribe has its own government that gives out most of those benefits that you speak of, not the federal government. In other words, the benefits that they receive are dependent on the tribe's budget and resources. That's why they're allowed to have casinos: to raise money. But as with all groups of people, some tribes are bigger than others, and that effects the kind of benefits give to the masses. The Navajo and Cherokee (my tribe) are two largest tribes, and they struggle to accommodate every single pure member; I'm not even going to get into the battle over freedmen and those with partial ancestry, because that would take all night.

No taxes, discounts on everything: Thanks for the wonderful laugh. NAs pay any state, federal, income or whatever taxes just like any other American citizen. The tax exemptions and discounts I assume you speak of come from purchases and services through their respective tribal governments. My girlfriend can't just stroll into Wal Mart and buy a bunch of groceries discounted and tax free just because she's Navajo. However, if she were to to venture into a store on a reservation sponsored/supported by a tribal government, she may be eligible.

Huge food stamp benefits without question: Again, bullshit, but I can't speak for every state and county's DHS laws, only Oklahoma's. And again using my girlfriend as a reference, she recently began receiving food benefits in Tulsa County. She had to fill out the same paperwork, go through the same procedures and be subjected to the same scrutiny as anyone else. She has to provide the same ID, proof of address and proof of employment as anyone else. The color of her skin and her race doesn't affect her food benefits one bit, just like it didn't affect mine when I received them.

Utilities paid for by the government: If there's some awesome state or county out there paying for the utlities of NAs as a way of saying sorry for the genocide, we'll start looking for employment and apartments there immediately. Otherwise, it again is a tribal thing. And trust me, you'd take paying utilities over living on a reservation any day. Spend a week in one and you'd feel like you were staying in a third-world country.

If there's one benefit that the federal government does issue NAs liberally, it's scholarships. Even still, you have to meet a certain academic standard for many of them. Oh wait, you know who else gets scholarships for being a minority? Blacks, Jews, Hispanics and almost any other minority in this country. Wanna know something funny? I missed out on a Cherokee scholarship as a freshman because my high school grades weren't up to par, but I was able to get a couple African American scholarships to pay most of my tuition my freshman year. The Cherokee scholarship was state-sponsored, but the others came from priveate organizations.

TL;DR: You haven't proved a damn thing. Most of the benefits you mentioned come from the tribe, not from the state or fed, so please stop speaking on a subject you know nothing about. Having "some native blood" in you doesn't change that. That's like saying you fixed Africa because you retweeted "Kony 2012."



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The Pre-Columbian north American population had been reduced by about 90% by western diseases before they even had contact with colonists. Also horses were introduced in the Americas by the Europeans.
The Culture of the nomadic native tribes were established after 1500.
Therefore one could argue it was basically two cultures claiming the land for themselves during the same period of time.



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yeah for sure...

 

OT and make it a crime if people call someone african american. asian american....just call them american FFS....or if not just call any caucasian american as european american.....cut thebullshit



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Yep, it wasn't the Native Americnas first run in with Europeans, they also had to deal with the Vikings trying to convert them to Christianity before Colombus.

Europeans pushed Native Americans onto reservations (because they took 95% of their land). So I ask you...what reparations? You mean the money used to build large scale casinos? Well in truth they deserve every bit of that and more for all that was taken from them.

African Americans were promised forty acres and a mule and that was taken from them by the democrats took that from them after Abraham Lincoln gave it to them (kind of funny how that works because today a republican would never do that lulz).

The republican party and democratic party switched principles towards the 1930s after the great depression. The democrats were more alike to what is the republican party back then. They were the conservative party and they had a strong concentration on the south.

I am not a fan of either, just wanted to throw in some history. (lol) I agree that's pretty funny.



Even though it would be fair and ideal, in the real world life isn't fair. What would it take to make amends with these broken people? In order to repair what America destroyed, how much is enough? Just look at the African Americans, reparations didn't change their trajectory much because throwing money or land does very little against several generations of suppression and hate.

It's sad, but this country, especially in the current global economy which its state affects so easily, can't afford to do what's right with the Native Americans. I'm neither racist nor apathetic to either Native Americans or African Americans, but I am a realist and don't see our country even pondering something like this when we're scratching ourselves out of a seemingly bottomless ditch of debt.



theman88 said:
If you havent noticed our country economically is still in the toilet. We cant afford to pay our bills, and we certainly cannot afford this. Nice idea.... but if this did happen then There would have to be African American reparations and we would be broke all the way to the birth of a second China in the western hemishere


your country is paying each month 85 billion dollar to banks and stock markets(in a hidden way called quantitative easing)

wasting money for more than 700 military bases all over the world,more than 1/2 trillion every year for military,always money to make war but not enough money to afford this?