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DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:

the average consumer WILL favour the cheapest option, and that is an advantage for wii u.

*Sigh*

"I'm not saying it will be favourite by default just because of the lower price"

"the average consumer WILL favour the cheapest option"

Not even sure what to tell you at this point. Just keep believing whatever makes you happy I guess.

what's so hard to understand? the average consumer will definetely be atracted by the lower price and that's an advantage. that by itself won't guarantee absolute success but it's already a battle won.



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Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:

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Right so why would Nintendo go out of their way to get an exclusive SONIC deal? Hmm system seller I think so. I don't own the Wii U or 3DS, but Sonic The Lost World has made me consider buying a Wii U. Exclusive title in hopes of selling systems. Sonic brand has more success on Nintendo than any of the other 2 companies. Regardless if it pertains to you or your opinion; Sonic is going to push systems for Nintendo hence the fact it's an exclusive partnership Nintendo needed when its "Mario brand" has struggled to push consoles.

Think of the Sonic-only games that sold on Wii, a console that already had a huge install baes, they sold fairly well to make profit, but nothing enough to dramatically make a difference in hardware sales figures. 2 - 3 million on a 100 million install base bro. I'm sure The Lost World will be a great game, but it's NOT going to selll systems. By that, I mean dramatically increase hardware sales, something to the scale of Mario Kart or even Zelda. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact that Sonic-only games don't dramatically push systems. They'll sell better on Wii U than on a Sony or Microsoft console no doubt though, that's likely why Sega went forward with this partnership. 

And how many Mario games has Nintendo sold on Wii U?  One, another 2D Mario game that people aren't going to drool over. Its second will be Super Mario 3D World, a game that has a much better chance at moving systems than any Sonic game ever would, even though I personally don't really have excitement over it. 



Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:

the average consumer WILL favour the cheapest option, and that is an advantage for wii u.

*Sigh*

"I'm not saying it will be favourite by default just because of the lower price"

"the average consumer WILL favour the cheapest option"

Not even sure what to tell you at this point. Just keep believing whatever makes you happy I guess.

what's so hard to understand? the average consumer will definetely be atracted by the lower price and that's an advantage. that by itself won't guarantee absolute success but it's already a battle won.

Its hard to understand because ur not being clear. This post cleared it up tho, being cheapest helps but isnt the deciding factor.



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forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:

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Right so why would Nintendo go out of their way to get an exclusive SONIC deal? Hmm system seller I think so. I don't own the Wii U or 3DS, but Sonic The Lost World has made me consider buying a Wii U. Exclusive title in hopes of selling systems. Sonic brand has more success on Nintendo than any of the other 2 companies. Regardless if it pertains to you or your opinion; Sonic is going to push systems for Nintendo hence the fact it's an exclusive partnership Nintendo needed when its "Mario brand" has struggled to push consoles.

Think of the Sonic-only games that sold on Wii, a console that already had a huge install baes, they sold fairly well to make profit, but nothing enough to dramatically make a difference in hardware sales figures. 2 - 3 million on a 100 million install base bro. I'm sure The Lost World will be a great game, but it's NOT going to selll systems. By that, I mean dramatically increase hardware sales, something to the scale of Mario Kart or even Zelda. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact that Sonic-only games don't dramatically push systems. They'll sell better on Wii U than on a Sony or Microsoft console no doubt though, that's likely why Sega went forward with this partnership. 

And how many Mario games has Nintendo sold on Wii U?  One, another 2D Mario game that people aren't going to drool over. Its second will be Super Mario 3D World, a game that has a much better chance at moving systems than any Sonic game ever would, even though I personally don't really have excitement over it. 

Ur spot on, not many games will push a console on there own but a combination of games will. 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Sonic, DKC, Wind Waker, Pikmin, Wii Fit, none of those games can do it on there own but together they can push alot of consoles.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:
Assyrian612 said:
forethought14 said:

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more stuff

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Right so why would Nintendo go out of their way to get an exclusive SONIC deal? Hmm system seller I think so. I don't own the Wii U or 3DS, but Sonic The Lost World has made me consider buying a Wii U. Exclusive title in hopes of selling systems. Sonic brand has more success on Nintendo than any of the other 2 companies. Regardless if it pertains to you or your opinion; Sonic is going to push systems for Nintendo hence the fact it's an exclusive partnership Nintendo needed when its "Mario brand" has struggled to push consoles.

Think of the Sonic-only games that sold on Wii, a console that already had a huge install baes, they sold fairly well to make profit, but nothing enough to dramatically make a difference in hardware sales figures. 2 - 3 million on a 100 million install base bro. I'm sure The Lost World will be a great game, but it's NOT going to selll systems. By that, I mean dramatically increase hardware sales, something to the scale of Mario Kart or even Zelda. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact that Sonic-only games don't dramatically push systems. They'll sell better on Wii U than on a Sony or Microsoft console no doubt though, that's likely why Sega went forward with this partnership. 

And how many Mario games has Nintendo sold on Wii U?  One, another 2D Mario game that people aren't going to drool over. Its second will be Super Mario 3D World, a game that has a much better chance at moving systems than any Sonic game ever would, even though I personally don't really have excitement over it. 

Well I agree it won't shift hardware sales by the millions but it could bring in customers such as myself who may not experience what the Wii U has to offer.
Nintendo knows this which is why it's exclusive deal with Sega is huge. Potential customers is always a priority bcuz it could open the door to other games they might like. I would not buy a Wii U for the titles I've seen, but Sonic Lost World has got me considering. I'm sure i'm not the only only person on this boat. If I bought Sonic Lost World then I would go on to buy smash, zelda, and mario games. I'm a Sonic fan first I've beaten all the games across all 3 platforms; that is support Nintendo can use on their side so an exclusive deal is key for sales. Lookat Deadrising 3 it's not a system seller either, but that is one of the most hyped games on Xbox ONE majority of the gamers who will purchase the Xbox One will buy D3. Deadrising doesn't touch Sonic on sales either. It's the point Capcom went exclusive to Microsoft and it will sell systems and Sega went exclusive to Nintendo and that will sell systems too. Maybe not enough to catch your eye, but in my eye where any customer matters that to me is most important. Sega fans need a place for Sonic to call home and Nintendo partnership is a key andperfect place for eveyrone.



 

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oniyide said:
Zero999 said:

by that logic the general population would never buy any new console since the last gen will always be cheapest, so big falacy.

I'm also tired of repeating that current wii u sales are no parameter. the existence of wii and ps360 are not in any way the cause for wii u's low sales. the cause is lack of games, period.


stop moving goal posts, you say that people will favor the cheapest console, which MOST of the time seem to be true (GC not withstanding) so how doesnt the actual cheaper consoles on the market matter? THe general population will CONTINUE to buy the cheaper consoles as they have been doing since WIi Us been on the market. The people buying them at launch for alot of money are the hardcore fans, who dont mind shelling out several hundred bucks. 

YOu can live in your bottle world all you want, PS360 and WIi being on the market DOES affect WIi U, period. Only someone in denial will lie to themselves, when someone is looking to buy a console and we are talking price, when they look on the shelves who is the cheapest? who is the most expensive? YOu mean to tell me that these systems arent effecting WIi U and it would be selling just as crappy if they didnt exist?

you're the one in denial. wii u's situation is not connected to competition from ps360 and wii, those 3 consoles could be doing better or worse than now and wii u would still be selling like crap. it only need the games.



zorg1000 said:

Ur spot on, not many games will push a console on there own but a combination of games will. 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Sonic, DKC, Wind Waker, Pikmin, Wii Fit, none of those games can do it on there own but together they can push alot of consoles.

Very true, you'll need a whole lot of great games to push a console. One or two is not enough (at least, not for some franchises).

Assyrian612 said:

Well I agree it won't shift hardware sales by the millions but it could bring in customers such as myself who may not experience what the Wii U has to offer.
Nintendo knows this which is why it's exclusive deal with Sega is huge. Potential customers is always a priority bcuz it could open the door to other games they might like. I would not buy a Wii U for the titles I've seen, but Sonic Lost World has got me considering. I'm sure i'm not the only only person on this boat. If I bought Sonic Lost World then I would go on to buy smash, zelda, and mario games. I'm a Sonic fan first I've beaten all the games across all 3 platforms; that is support Nintendo can use on their side so an exclusive deal is key for sales. Lookat Deadrising 3 it's not a system seller either, but that is one of the most hyped games on Xbox ONE majority of the gamers who will purchase the Xbox One will buy D3. Deadrising doesn't touch Sonic on sales either. It's the point Capcom went exclusive to Microsoft and it will sell systems and Sega went exclusive to Nintendo and that will sell systems too. Maybe not enough to catch your eye, but in my eye where any customer matters that to me is most important. Sega fans need a place for Sonic to call home and Nintendo partnership is a key andperfect place for eveyrone.

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was too harsh on this. I had the impression that you believed Sonic alone would dramatically increase hardware sales, which is something that Nintendo needs right now. BUT, it WILL act as a catalyst in the ENTIRE library of future games that will allow for the push in hardware sales. As soon as gamers and others see the wide span of games available on the console for the holidays, they will defintely want to purchase the console, despite the 350$ investment. The lineup could be enough to warrent that purchase for many people.

But it's good that it will attract Sonic fans like yourself, Nintendo needs all of the  support it can get, and while I don't see this partnership as a huge game changer, I do see it as something a part of something larger. 



Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:

by that logic the general population would never buy any new console since the last gen will always be cheapest, so big falacy.

I'm also tired of repeating that current wii u sales are no parameter. the existence of wii and ps360 are not in any way the cause for wii u's low sales. the cause is lack of games, period.


stop moving goal posts, you say that people will favor the cheapest console, which MOST of the time seem to be true (GC not withstanding) so how doesnt the actual cheaper consoles on the market matter? THe general population will CONTINUE to buy the cheaper consoles as they have been doing since WIi Us been on the market. The people buying them at launch for alot of money are the hardcore fans, who dont mind shelling out several hundred bucks. 

YOu can live in your bottle world all you want, PS360 and WIi being on the market DOES affect WIi U, period. Only someone in denial will lie to themselves, when someone is looking to buy a console and we are talking price, when they look on the shelves who is the cheapest? who is the most expensive? YOu mean to tell me that these systems arent effecting WIi U and it would be selling just as crappy if they didnt exist?

you're the one in denial. wii u's situation is not connected to competition from ps360 and wii, those 3 consoles could be doing better or worse than now and wii u would still be selling like crap. it only need the games.


that contradicts your stance on saying people will favor the cheaper consoles. Are they NOT favoring the cheaper consoles now? Looking the the charts they sure are. Cant have it both ways. There is no season where people favor cheaper consoles than others, its all the time thing.



Zero999 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
Zero999 said:

the average consumer WILL favour the cheapest option, and that is an advantage for wii u.

*Sigh*

"I'm not saying it will be favourite by default just because of the lower price"

"the average consumer WILL favour the cheapest option"

Not even sure what to tell you at this point. Just keep believing whatever makes you happy I guess.

what's so hard to understand? the average consumer will definetely be atracted by the lower price and that's an advantage. that by itself won't guarantee absolute success but it's already a battle won.

You said it won't be the favorite because it's the cheapest, yet it will be favored because it's the cheapest. That statement is blatantly hypocritical. Not sure why you're having trouble comprehending that.

Low price is only an advantage if the perceived value is there. That is what will determine this generations winner. If I charge $1 for a bag of my own urine, it doesn't have an advantage over the Wii U just by virtue of being cheaper, because there is no concept of value for it. Price alone doesn't matter.



Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Zero999 said:

by that logic the general population would never buy any new console since the last gen will always be cheapest, so big falacy.

I'm also tired of repeating that current wii u sales are no parameter. the existence of wii and ps360 are not in any way the cause for wii u's low sales. the cause is lack of games, period.


stop moving goal posts, you say that people will favor the cheapest console, which MOST of the time seem to be true (GC not withstanding) so how doesnt the actual cheaper consoles on the market matter? THe general population will CONTINUE to buy the cheaper consoles as they have been doing since WIi Us been on the market. The people buying them at launch for alot of money are the hardcore fans, who dont mind shelling out several hundred bucks. 

YOu can live in your bottle world all you want, PS360 and WIi being on the market DOES affect WIi U, period. Only someone in denial will lie to themselves, when someone is looking to buy a console and we are talking price, when they look on the shelves who is the cheapest? who is the most expensive? YOu mean to tell me that these systems arent effecting WIi U and it would be selling just as crappy if they didnt exist?

you're the one in denial. wii u's situation is not connected to competition from ps360 and wii, those 3 consoles could be doing better or worse than now and wii u would still be selling like crap. it only need the games.

I agree with u that games are the most important facor but those other consoles games/pricr factor into it as well.

Imagine a random 25 year old shopping for a new console with no bias towards any of the consoles. He sees a 250gb 360 bundled w/Darksiders 2+Arkham City, 500gb PS3 w/Assassins Creed 3 for $299 or 32gb Wii U w/Nintendo Land for $349. Also he sees that Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Rising, Dead Space 3, Bioshock Infinite, DMC, Colonial Marines, Gears of War, God of War, Last of Us, Halo 4 are on PS3/360 and Wii U has Lego City and NSMBU. He is likely to pick PS360 due to price/games.

Or a mother buying a console for her 2 kids aged 5-10. She sees a $129 Wii w/Wii Sports+Sports Resort vs. $349 Wii U w/Nintendo Land. Also Wi has Wii Fit, Mario Kart, NSMB, Zumba, which are games that appeal not only to her kids but her as well. While again Wii U has Lego City and NSMBU but are those 2 games worth an extra $200? Probably not.

So overall Wii U needs big games to release and it has those later this year but anytime a consumer picks a different console its taking away a potential sale from Wii U.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.