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RolStoppable said:
Zero999 said:
badgenome said:

Do you doubt that it will with all the major publishers are going to be targeting PS4 and Xbone going forward while even traditional Nintendo backers like Ubi are saying they will support the Wii U "if it makes sense"? I don't see how it's even in question.

Sony still has Gamescom and TGS to announce more launch titles, but even if they don't, it's not about getting people to upgrade immediately. It's about the fact that PS4 will be literally drowning in third party support for years to come in the same way that the Vita wasn't and the Wii U won't be. Nintendo is going to have to make all of its own breaks to stage any sort of turn around for the Wii U, while Sony is going to be the recepient of tons of games no matter what they do.

bolded: crystal ball assumption.

and sony will have to fight for this market. if people don't upgrade imediately then it will take a while for games to actually start selling decently on ps4. And a nintendo with third party multiplatforms is a tremendous force to be reckoned. things will look clearer a year from now.

You just don't get it. It won't matter if games bomb spectacularly on the PS4, the console will still get the full attention from third parties. The PS3 spearheaded almost the entire industry into a sea of losses and that still didn't make any third parties reconsider. They kept putting games on the PS3 until the market to operate profitably was there.

so... 3rd parties are bitches? XD



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Zero999 said:

bolded: crystal ball assumption.

and sony will have to fight for this market. if people don't upgrade imediately then it will take a while for games to actually start selling decently on ps4. And a nintendo with third party multiplatforms is a tremendous force to be reckoned. things will look clearer a year from now.

No crystal ball required. The level of third party support is decided long before a generation even starts. There is a reason why the PS3 got such strong support even when it was flailing, and there is a reason why no third party was in a position to really capitalize on the Wii's surpising success. It's all down to how invested they are before launch, and publishers are investing in the PS4/Xbone and not the Wii U. If you think that will have changed a year from now, you frankly don't understand how video game development works.

It doesn't take a fortune teller, a genius, or a "hater" to figure this shit out.



The Wii-U is so dead in so many ways, Itchy and Scratchy called it for some fresh death ideas to use in their next skit. It's so dead, it makes Kenny from South Park blush like a school girl. The nearly 7 year old PS3 outsold it almost 6-1 last week. AGAIN. Yeah, things are looking great for the Wii-U. It's getting outsold by EVERYTHING, and there is no way the small, uninspired Wii-U holiday line-up is going to pull it out of it's death spiral into commercial irrelevance. Of course, the PS4/Xbox One launches only compound the Wii-U's problems. Sorry.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

Zero999 said:

Nintendo competes directly with sony and microsoft, always have, always will. AND besides that, they do have a market of their own that the others can't seem to touch wich is different than saying that's all nintendo have.

No, most of Nintendo's consoles will show that they are in a league of their own. The gameboy showed that, the NES showed that, the Wii did too. Sega was the only one to truly compete with Nintendo in that segment of the industry and even then. Sony only managed to beat Nintendo in the mainstream due to good hardware design and marketing, they tapped into the mainstream. But when it comes to games Nintendo are untoucheable and so they have a market all to themselves that Sony and MS will have a lot of difficulty reaching and it will be like that for a long time.



COKTOE said:
The Wii-U is so dead in so many ways, Itchy and Scratchy called it for some fresh death ideas to use in their next skit. It's so dead, it makes Kenny from South Park blush like a school girl. The nearly 7 year old PS3 outsold it almost 6-1 last week. AGAIN. Yeah, things are looking great for the Wii-U. It's getting outsold by EVERYTHING, and there is no way the small, uninspired Wii-U holiday line-up is going to pull it out of it's death spiral into commercial irrelevance. Of course, the PS4/Xbox One launches only compound the Wii-U's problems. Sorry.


remember when the PS3 was dead in 2006?



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COKTOE said:
The Wii-U is so dead in so many ways, Itchy and Scratchy called it for some fresh death ideas to use in their next skit. It's so dead, it makes Kenny from South Park blush like a school girl. The nearly 7 year old PS3 outsold it almost 6-1 last week. AGAIN. Yeah, things are looking great for the Wii-U. It's getting outsold by EVERYTHING, and there is no way the small, uninspired Wii-U holiday line-up is going to pull it out of it's death spiral into commercial irrelevance. Of course, the PS4/Xbox One launches only compound the Wii-U's problems. Sorry.

Your reasoning is dead. You're pursuing the kind of obvious logic that led to no intelligence and proper prediction in the past, why would it work now.

The 3DS was dead, the PS3 was dead, the NDS was dead, the Wii was DEAD. There are cases where Nintendo were dead but there were many where they weren't. The U is one of those for 1million and 1 reasons. The U takes cues from the 3DS. It will do fine, so long as that course is kept.



RolStoppable said:

Didn't you just read posts about what third parties do? Let me spell it out for you.

PS3 struggles. Third parties: "It's okay, Sony. We'll help you to get out of the hole that you dug for all of us."
Wii U struggles. Third parties: "Rot in hell, Nintendo."

Most 3rd parties don't matter. Only a select few, and typically those that focus on very different games than most here assume.

Games like Etrian Odyssee and Monstre Hunter and exclusive REs make Nintendo's consoles (mostly in Japan), not multiplats, and certainly not EA games.

So the companies that do that don't matter.



@MohammadBadir. Not even close to being the same situation. You're comparing apples to nipples.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

MohammadBadir said:
COKTOE said:
The Wii-U is so dead in so many ways, Itchy and Scratchy called it for some fresh death ideas to use in their next skit. It's so dead, it makes Kenny from South Park blush like a school girl. The nearly 7 year old PS3 outsold it almost 6-1 last week. AGAIN. Yeah, things are looking great for the Wii-U. It's getting outsold by EVERYTHING, and there is no way the small, uninspired Wii-U holiday line-up is going to pull it out of it's death spiral into commercial irrelevance. Of course, the PS4/Xbox One launches only compound the Wii-U's problems. Sorry.


remember when the PS3 was dead in 2006?

Remember when the PS3 was selling 60k a week in June 2006 at $599 while Wii-U is selling just over 20k at half the price?



RolStoppable said:

You are right that multiplatform games have no real importance on Nintendo systems, it's the exclusives that make or break the systems. But the difference between Nintendo handhelds and Nintendo home consoles is that third parties put quality on the Nintendo handhelds voluntary. This leads to quite a dramatic difference in the long run.

That is truly the only concern. However in the past Nintendo did not do a good job at leading by example. With the U, Nintendo is pumping out games quickly with high entertainment value, much like they are doing for the 3DS, and games of very similar type of content. The only risk is that 3rd parties don't get the cue, but I really doubt Capcom and Atlus won't.

But like you say we've seen it in the past, with its reasons, so the risk exists. I give it a 50-50 chance of likelihood, due to the WiiU's mixed direction at launch. So long as Nintendo continues to drive entertainment first for the birthing years of the console, that risk should be quelled. *fingers crossed*

They can always drive higher-production games when they've secured a proper install base for themselves and for 3rd parties. All in its time.