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Cold-Flipper said:
RazorDragon said:
Are we in 2001? Because the Xbox 1 managed to(barely) outsell the Gamecube only... Oh, you're talking about the Xbox One. Right. I don't know, but making those predictions generally isn't a good thing: the consoles predicted to sell the most on the internet are actually the ones that sell the worst.

Why do people keep saying this?

The Xbox from 2001 was simply called "Xbox" this system is called "Xbox 1" 


Actually, before the Xbox One announcement, if you just said "Xbox" most people would automatically think of the 360. The first Xbox was always called the Xbox 1 or Original Xbox.



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Barring some major screwup from Sony, I don't see how the XB1 can outsell the PS4 long term.

Even this gen, the PS3 was able to outsell the 360 despite having a higher price for the entire generation. For the next gen, the XB1 will be priced $100 higher, will be launching concurrently with the PS4, and just came off a wave of bad PR. The PS4 will easily dominate Europe given that it's lower priced, has the same games as the XB1 that consumers want to buy (Call of Duty, Fifa), and has a significantly stronger brand name. The PS4 won't even face the same competition from Nintendo that they did with the Wii because the Wii U is a complete sales failure and has essentially no market presence. And that's just for Europe.

In Japan, the PS4 will be launching against a struggling Wii U, and basically nothing else in the console space. The PS3 is slowly waning away and the XB1 is a non-factor. Although I think the PS4 will have a slow start in Japan due to an initial lack of compelling games, it will dominate the XB1 long term in the region. There's really no competition. America is the one region where MS has a definite advantage, and I wouldn't be surprised if the XB1 sells more lifetime there. However, the difference will be marginal and the gap will certainly be a lot smaller than the one between the PS3 and 360 in America in the 7th gen. The XB1 won't have the advantage of a lower price point or launching a year earlier. Also, Halo and Gears are not the system sellers they once were, so Microsoft will have to either create new large IPs or become the standard system for third party games.

Either way, Sony has a huge advantage in EU and Japan, as well as the various other nations around the world which prefer Sony. MS will have an advantage in America, but it likely will be much smaller than last gen and won't be enough to make up the gap between the two consoles in the rest of the world.

I can almost guarantee Sony takes this.



 

 

At this rate the WiiU would be lucky to outsell the vita lol, the Ps4 will outsell the WiiU before the end of 2014 ill bet my sig on it.



theprof00 said:

Look just because you can't say either way what will happen, doesn't mean evidence doesn't exist to support a future conclusion.

The PC argument is grabbing at straws. PC has been doing more and better than what consoles do since the beginning of everything. Why would it change now? You're just throwing that out there and saying "that's your logic".

PCs are much more expensive (for the average consumer) and tend to get all sorts of other problems like viruses, etc. Consoles are not only optimized to play games, but their hardware actually significantly outperforms the same hardware in a pc. There are myriad reasons why that example doesn't work. And this has been the main reasoning why consoles have thrived, because they're cheap, and easy. They take out the complication of having too much, and simplify, which increases performance and dramatically lowers price by comparison.

Specialization is what has helped consoles thrive.

You're taking my argument of people buying out of convenience and specialization, and saying that I'm logically saying that nobody would buy consoles because of PCs. It's like the opposite of my point.

TV isn't a draw (to the casual audience) because the other products are cheaper and more closely align (by a wide margin) with what a casual interested in tv controls wants.

XB1 doesn't do the tv control significantly better than the competition, and where it counts (price) it's severely outclassed... it's not cheaper, and it's not easier. There are specialized products that do what xb1 does in terms of tv control for a lot cheaper, and a lot easier, and a lot smaller.

Oh, and don't forget that xb1 STILL needs another box in order to even USE the tv function...and it's a Microsoft peripheral. I mean, COME ON. So it's not just 500, but probably another 100, on top of live. If those numbers aren't looming catastrophically above you like a towering building beginning to lean over, I don't know what else to say to you. It's sheer madnees what they're expecting people to pay for.

These aren't opinions imagine. These are facts.

Some of these are facts indeed... What you predict for the Xbox One are just speculations, but it is okay, keep calling them fact if it makes you happy :)

And even if as of now, the PS4 future is looking good, Microsoft's vision is still a long term one and they proved, starting with the original Xbox and Xbox Live, that they can defintely have a success with new ideas. It is not everyone who blindly believe that nothing can change and that the best way to have a long term success is just to create an Xbox 360+/PS3+... Microsoft may fail miserably with this strategy but they can also succeed and be in a far better position than Sony in the living room. Just deal with it lol



Why do people think Xbox will take NA and UK? PS2 DOMINATED worldwide but PS3 was beaten by 360 in NA and UK. Plus PS4 and Xbox One have NO Native BC so the catalogue of current gen games is meaningless. It's practically a clean slate for consumers except if you want a WiiU.



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I have to respectfully disagree with the thread starter.

Sony has a strong foothold in the emerging markets. There is a reason the PS3 was able to overtake the 360 at the near end of this generation. The major markets will make the bulk of the sales, especially at the beginning but in the overall scheme of things. Those little sales from the developing markets will matter and the features that separates the X1 from the PS4 will only be available regionally and not globally.

I will not speak anything against the Wii U because this generation has thought me never to underestimate the Big N but the X1 beating the PS4. That I highly doubt.



Wow, I just read the OP's arguments and they were actually some of the worst pieces of logic I've ever seen. I'm more convinced than ever that the PS4 will dominate.



 

 

"Just for lulz" thread and 12 pages already, lol.

Really, i can't take it seriously, and there is no point in arguing over predictions, just wait and you'll see who's right.



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small44 said:

I think ps3 had outsell all Nintendo home console expect Wii.It is imposible that wii u outsell ps4 due to 3rd party.

I don't think it's at all impossible. The PS & PS2 dominated because of overwhelming amounts of 3rd party exclusives. Sony was also very smart in adding CD & DVD features. The XB1 will stop Sony from being that massive ever again. (IMO) I could be wrong and PS4 might take it, even by a good margin but they won't ever dominate that much again.

 

RazorDragon said:

Actually, before the Xbox One announcement, if you just said "Xbox" most people would automatically think of the 360. The first Xbox was always called the Xbox 1 or Original Xbox.

Yes, but the system was announced as the "Xbox" and the 360 was announced as the "Xbox 360". It would be like people calling the Playstation "PS1" when that's indeed not its name. People call it that now because they want to refer to the 1st system. The new system is officially "Xbox One" but why can't I just use a "1" it is pronounced the same and mean the same. Therefor, I'm not wrong calling it that. 

 

think-man said:
At this rate the WiiU would be lucky to outsell the vita lol, the Ps4 will outsell the WiiU before the end of 2014 ill bet my sig on it.

I honestly wouldn't be all that shocked if Vita does outsell Wii U. Actually, maybe I should change my Vita prediction so it isn't last place this gen...I don't know. I do think it will be pretty close between all systems either way. (Besides 3DS, that will dominate all of them)



Imaginedvl said:
theprof00 said:

Well, so long as you realize that there are already 99$ products that use voice and gesture control for tvs, and competitors range from apple, google, samsung, and even sony.

I'm not aware of any all-in one device from Apple, Google, Samsung or even Sony who can play Blu-rays, Titanfall, Forza 5, Halo 5, Skype, HDMI port in letting you see (or control) your TV while doing other stuff, surf the web and enhance your experience with Kinect 2 etc... But I may be wrong...

Now, you can argue with me about the "usefulness" of these features but it will be a matters of oppinion at this point. The facts are that the Xbox One can do all of this and Microsoft's vision is to push for it.

You and MS are dreaming if you think millions of non-gamers are going to buy this thing. If MS really wanted to appeal to the non-gamer audience here's what they'd do:

Kinect Box - Specs approximating the Wii U; Kinect 2.0; all the TV/Movie/connectivity stuff that's in the current XB One; $250 launch price; heavily marketed to the non-gaming audients, hence why ditching the "Xbox" name. That would have non-gamers buying it in their millions.

Instead tey went for a fully upgraded nexgen console for $500 which will continue to rely on enthusiastic gamers for at least 80-90% of sales. The TV/movie/connectivity stuff is there to try to convince gamers to go Xb one instead of PS4 or Wii U. But there's not all that much differentiation in the non-gaming aspects to really sway gamers, who will still buy primarily on games and price.

I think MS is trying to appeal to too many audiences and not making a very good job of appealing to any of them.

If there is something to be learned from Wii it's that the $250 launch price was a massive part in its dominance in the important years of this cycle, because that was a price that non-gamers could think was worth taking a purchasing risk on.



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