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enditall727 on 02 July 2013
Areym said:
The way I see the confrontation, based on everything that I have heard is that GZ was following Trayvon because GZ though he looked suspicious. Whether he was stereotyping Trayvon or not, is somewhat irrelevant and from the recent pictures you can find of Trayvon, he looked like a fucking thug so GZ wasn't too far off. He also appeared to have past problems with violence/weed/etc, I can't say how true it is but his pictures seem to validate his thug-like behaviour. Trayvon's father was apparently a member of a gang in his past, crips from what I have heard but I can't say how true that is.

Anyways, GZ confronts Trayvon, asking him about what he was doing, where was he headed and the likes. At some point, Trayvon attacks GZ and pins him to the ground. Trayvon then proceed to slam GZ head into the pavements so GZ activates the "stand your ground" law and uses his gun in self defense and that is the end of the story. There are pictures of GZ's head being wounded and with a broken nose, although I'm not sure what happened to that piece of evidence.

In my opinion, GZ did kill Trayvon obviously, but he did so in self defense. While GZ probably should not have confronted Trayvon openly, he did not begin a physical confrontation, it was all Trayvon. Trayvon did not need to die that day but his own actions caused his own death. I know Eminem said something that perfectly described Trayvon's downfall but I can't find it. All Trayvon had to do was speak in a rational manner, show GZ he had no intentions of committing any cry and walk away. I assume Trayvon was filled with both anger and fear of being followed but there would be no reason to attack GZ unless he was threatening him physically.

I think GZ will walk and who knows what will happen then. I like to think that people will not get up in arms about the verdict, that we will calm accept or appeal or whatever legal action can be taken if Tray's parent feel that there is some injustice.

Well you have to remember that anything that happened AFTER that night is irrelevant. So the thug thing is really irrelevant

 

Zimmerman didn't know his twitter or background so he had to go by what he saw that night

 

Here is a link to what Trayvon Martin had on the night he was killed --> http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/63599/mto-super-world-exclusive-we-ve-got-the-trayvon-martin-death-pics-the-poor-boy-was-gunned-down-in-cold-blood.html

 

I dont see how he looked like a thug that night. He said that he was cutting through houses and it made me think about myself and all the people that i know. We used to cut through houses all the fucking time lol

 

So in that earlier vid, it seemed like he was saying that he was pretty much just keeping an eye on him and then he got on the phone, Trayvon came up and asked "what's your problem" then Trayvon broke his nose and tried to kill Zimmerman

 

But what happened with all that other stuff though like him asking Zimmerman "why are you following me?" while he was still on the phone with that girl or whatever. 

 

And the thing about Trayvon creeping aroind the bushes or dark area surprising Zimmerman. idk this seems weird

 

I feel like something happened when they confronted eachother that we dont know

 

I still feel like Trayvon should've kept walking home though

 

Edit: i think i'm done



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enditall727 on 02 July 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
enditall727 said:
Figgycal said:

Maybe I would have more sympathy for Zimmerman if, you know, he didn't kill a 17 year old kid. What part of that is defensible? Forget he's black (for you racists out there- you know who you are) ; forget that he called Zimmerman a cracker- who gives a shit (is anyone here offended by that?). This kid's life was cut tragically short by a paranoid stalker with a history of being prejudiced.

And you got to love the contradictions between the Sean Hannity interview, which made him look horribly guilty- and his testimony. Two things I remember specifically about that interview were: "I reached into my pocket"- right before he claims Trayvon attacked him- and as it turned out he had a gun on him and Trayvon had every right to be afraid. And saying him killing Trayvon was part of God's plan- keeping it classy.

 

EDIT:Sean Hannity interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaua8aAUpOs

I don't remember where what was said, but there are some contrasts between the stories starting at 7:00 and 11:00


I just watched about 20 mins of that interview and i must say that he conducted his self pretty well and it seemed believeable but their are a lot of people saying that he is supposedly inconsistent and that more vids of his need to be watched to catch his contradictions. I dont even feel like doing that right now though Lol

 


He's consistent. No one stays 100% the same everytime they speak. Consistency is based off of trueness to the original story. No person tells one story the same way and even worse when pespectives are added from other people.

Oh i didn't see this post

 

I guess you're right about the consistency thing though



S.T.A.G.E. on 02 July 2013
enditall727 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


He's consistent. No one stays 100% the same everytime they speak. Consistency is based off of trueness to the original story. No person tells one story the same way and even worse when pespectives are added from other people.

Oh i didn't see this post

 

I guess you're right about the consistency thing though

The only major inconsistency today was Zimmermans friends witness statements and well testimony about him and even his word cannot be taken seriously, so I doubt it will majorly affect the decisions made. I think I heard the prosecution lawyer snickering a bit because of how terrible of a witness the was.



Areym on 02 July 2013
enditall727 said:
Areym said:
The way I see the confrontation, based on everything that I have heard is that GZ was following Trayvon because GZ though he looked suspicious. Whether he was stereotyping Trayvon or not, is somewhat irrelevant and from the recent pictures you can find of Trayvon, he looked like a fucking thug so GZ wasn't too far off. He also appeared to have past problems with violence/weed/etc, I can't say how true it is but his pictures seem to validate his thug-like behaviour. Trayvon's father was apparently a member of a gang in his past, crips from what I have heard but I can't say how true that is.

Anyways, GZ confronts Trayvon, asking him about what he was doing, where was he headed and the likes. At some point, Trayvon attacks GZ and pins him to the ground. Trayvon then proceed to slam GZ head into the pavements so GZ activates the "stand your ground" law and uses his gun in self defense and that is the end of the story. There are pictures of GZ's head being wounded and with a broken nose, although I'm not sure what happened to that piece of evidence.

In my opinion, GZ did kill Trayvon obviously, but he did so in self defense. While GZ probably should not have confronted Trayvon openly, he did not begin a physical confrontation, it was all Trayvon. Trayvon did not need to die that day but his own actions caused his own death. I know Eminem said something that perfectly described Trayvon's downfall but I can't find it. All Trayvon had to do was speak in a rational manner, show GZ he had no intentions of committing any cry and walk away. I assume Trayvon was filled with both anger and fear of being followed but there would be no reason to attack GZ unless he was threatening him physically.

I think GZ will walk and who knows what will happen then. I like to think that people will not get up in arms about the verdict, that we will calm accept or appeal or whatever legal action can be taken if Tray's parent feel that there is some injustice.

Well you have to remember that anything that happened AFTER that night is irrelevant. So the thug thing is really irrelevant

Zimmerman didn't know his twitter or background so he had to go by what he saw that night

Here is a link to what Trayvon Martin had on the night he was killed --> http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/63599/mto-super-world-exclusive-we-ve-got-the-trayvon-martin-death-pics-the-poor-boy-was-gunned-down-in-cold-blood.html

I dont see how he looked like a thug that night. He said that he was cutting through houses and it made me think about myself and all the people that i know. We used to cut through houses all the fucking time lol

So in that earlier vid, it seemed like he was saying that he was pretty much just keeping an eye on him and then he got on the phone, Trayvon came up and asked "what's your problem" then Trayvon broke his nose and tried to kill Zimmerman

But what happened with all that other stuff though like him asking Zimmerman "why are you following me?" while he was still on the phone with that girl or whatever. 

And the thing about Trayvon creeping aroind the bushes or dark area surprising Zimmerman. idk this seems weird. I feel like something happened when they confronted eachother that we dont know. I still feel like Trayvon should've kept walking home though

Edit: i think i'm done

I will agree that zimmerman should have left it at that. There really was no need for him to follow him any further. It was also a stupid move on Trayvon's part to assault Zimmerman, assuming Trayvon is the one who started the PHYSICAL confrontation which is what I believe happened. Had any of them walked away from the situation, nobody would have died and neither deserved to die that night.

Also, I believe that picture is quite old.  If the media used this picture as often as his younger (white hoodie/ red hollister shirt) pictures:

things might be a bit more skewed. Some of the more recent pictures like this one show that Trayvon is not necesarily the hoodied-saint that he is being described. GZ could also be kinda racist, I don't know. It would seemslike he was being overly suspicious of Trayvon because he was black but i don't know.



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Tigerlure on 02 July 2013

It's sounding like Trayvon didn't "bash" Zimmerman's head into the concrete like GZ said he did. At least that's what the Medical Examiner said, and she also said the injuries were insignificant. That doesn't sound like grounds to kill Trayvon to me.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 03 July 2013
badgenome said:
Tigerlure said:
Quick question, was there any witness who saw the initial confrontation between Trayvon and George Zimmermann? I know witnesses said they saw Trayvon on top of GZ, but did they see who actually started the fight?

I don't think so. Everyone who saw anything seems to have joined in progress. For what it's worth, the Colombian chick with the big tits thought she saw Zimmerman on top of Martin.


Zimmerman was ontop of Trayvon, after he shot him. That still corroborates Zimmermans story.



S.T.A.G.E. on 03 July 2013
Tigerlure said:
It's sounding like Trayvon didn't "bash" Zimmerman's head into the concrete like GZ said he did. At least that's what the Medical Examiner said, and she also said the injuries were insignificant. That doesn't sound like grounds to kill Trayvon to me.


True, but Zimmermans lawyer made her look like her assumptions from experience could've been flawed. This is why you hire lawyers like O'Mara. His defense made it seem like he was the prosecution. People will be studying his type of defense for years in law school.



Veracity on 03 July 2013
J_Allard said:
killerzX said:
J_Allard said:
I think the state went way overboard with the charges and because of that, Zimmerman might walk.

Such a shame that a dude can arm himself, stalk a kid, provoke a fight and kill him when he loses said fight, and because of shitty, shoddy police work, will likely get away with it. At least criminally. His life is already ruined either way and I would expect the TM family to win a civil suit down the line.

i swear if this has got to be like the 10 person in this thread alone to just ignore the facts of this case. thats not what happened at all.

lets see, zimmerman is legally allowed to possess a weapon, he was suspicous of an unkown, shady looking person, in a place where there has been a rash of crime, then after loosing track of martin, martin then confronted zimmerman and proceeded to smash zimmermans head into the pavement, to which zimmerman responded by shooting his assailant. 

all the evidence is pointing to zimmerman not committing any crime

Can you please point to the part of my post where I said or even implied that it is against the law for Zimmerman to carry a weapon?

Zimmerman was the instigator and aggressor in the situation. You know how he could have saved himself a lot of trouble and money, not to mention a kid his life? Just roll up on TM and ask him what he is doing. You know, like normal people do. Instead of slowly creeping on him and essentially stalking him. And how about when he was told by 911 dispatch not to follow Martin, why not comply?

You have a situation where a guy who has failed out of police academy multiple times, being jaded by recent robberies in his area and "fucking punks" always getting away with it, getting fed up when told by dispatch to wait for the real police to show up and decided to take matters in his own hands. You have your panties in a wad over whether or not it's a crime for Zimmerman to carry a gun, here is what Trayvon is guilt of that night:

Being out at night
Confronting someone stalking him

And please, LOL @ his head being "smashed into the pavement". And yet only minutes later when medics arrived, his devastating, life-threatening wounds were not even bleeding, and all he had was a slightly bloody nose and a couple of small lacerations on his head (which could have come from a rock in the grass or many other things). No blood on the sidewalk, no serious wounds for Zimmerman. Also, Zimmerman trained multiple times a week, MMA style. You'd think he could get a kid off of him but meh, I guess the easier course of action when getting your ass kicked in a fight you started is to just shoot the kid.

Like I said, a shame. An even bigger shame that people are defending the piece of shit. Oh well.


Hahahahahahahahaha lol turn off propaganda news for retards and watch the trial. Thre is no evidence at all of Zimmerman instigating a fight. He followed and reported until he lost trayvon in the dark. There are no wounds on trayvon except the bullet hole. So your stupid ass assumption is flawed completely.

must be some delicious koolaid!

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J_Allard on 03 July 2013
Veracity said:

Hahahahahahahahaha lol turn off propaganda news for retards and watch the trial. Thre is no evidence at all of Zimmerman instigating a fight. He followed and reported until he lost trayvon in the dark. There are no wounds on trayvon except the bullet hole. So your stupid ass assumption is flawed completely.

must be some delicious koolaid!

I gotta say it's adorable the way that you're so emotionally invested in this case, you cannot formulate a reply without catching feelings and throwing around insults. Might I make a couple suggestions?

1. Grow the fuck up.
2. Detach yourself from this case for awhile, decompress, and maybe you'll stop getting so emotional over it.

I just don't even know how to respond to someone actually trying to say there is no evidence that Zimmerman instigated a fight. He was following the kid around, even after he was told not to by 911. It's amazing to me that some people are willing to say that a couple small, insignificant, not life-threatening wounds on Zimmerman is justification for shooting someone with a gun. And yet, a stranger stalking you in the night is not justification for confronting that person and finding out why they are following you.

Like I already said, Zimmerman is a multiple time flunk out of police academy, patrolling his streets armed looking to hand out justice regardless of what the police or the home owners group and their neighborhood watch guidelines say. Maybe some of you are ok letting your kids out with murderers like that on the streets. I on the other hand am glad I am in a neighborhood without that type of psycho. Gods fucking plan. He actually said in a Hannity interview that he would do NOTHING different that night and it was all God's plan. This is the type of idiot you're defending. Again, sad to see. And there's no point in me wasting another second of my time discussing this here with the likes of you or the others. Toodles :)

 

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haxxiy on 03 July 2013
J_Allard said:

I just don't even know how to respond to someone actually trying to say there is no evidence that Zimmerman instigated a fight. He was following the kid around, even after he was told not to by 911. It's amazing to me that some people are willing to say that a couple small, insignificant, not life-threatening wounds on Zimmerman is justification for shooting someone with a gun. And yet, a stranger stalking you in the night is not justification for confronting that person and finding out why they are following you.

The "stand your ground" laws in Florida say you can use deadly force to prevent great bodily harm. It doesn’t say you have to suffer great bodily harm or "life threatening injuries" before you shoot your attacker. On the other hand, although it can be situations where someone is forced to do so, there's no legal justification to attack someone because you think they might be following you. Any harm that is intended to be prevented from laws like the aforementioned one are still too distant to justify agressive behaviour.