PhoenixKing said:
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:
Your God is fake, your religion is a fraud, and this stupid idealism has led to more 13 year olds getting pregnant than you could imagine. But go on, continue to live in your self-deluded 'liberation' that obediance to something you've never even met has meaning in your life while I laugh at you from my high exalted throne of cynicism.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. Do you want to talk about it?
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What would be the point? People should've realized the deluded concept of God the moment their children got sent to war every 20 years and died over government trickery.
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It certainly is tragic that people die in meaningless wars, there's no question about that. The alternative would be to force people not to be greedy and selfish via taking our free will, and that would be a more unjust God in my opinion.
Regardless, evil in the world doesn't logically rule out the existance of a God, no matter how you feel emotionally.
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That's an empty argument.
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elaborate, please. I want to see where you're coming from.
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If all the wars, starvation, and greed have no bearing on God's goodness then God is ultimately useless. Most people probably rationalize that they go to hell so the religious mind can feel better about itself for only fulfilling the role in their head's of what makes a good person. It's the perfect worker mindset. People will be satisfied because they think some sort of extra infinite life in some magic paradise is actually real. This is what helps the circular and outright idiotic "God helps those who helps themselves" arguments. Despite the fact that it's self-contradictory, people are led to believe that helping yourself is God giving them strength.
The whole point of the religious mindset is to make you feel better because you're going to happyland after your violent death from either murder or cancer and then the 'evil' people making millions off you and others like you are going to 'hell' to 'suffer' because God is apparently fair, and just, and kind. Despite the fact, your day-to-day life is not and there is some child being violently murdered somewhere around the world. Perhaps even in your country, State, or neighborhood, but you can just ignore that. The bad people are getting punished and the violently murdered child is going to heaven where everything is right because you believe it's right. Go pray or go to church on sundays to remind yourself of how good, and happy, and wonderful of a person you are and how you need to keep your spirits up. Don't worry about that innocent child who was killed by a gunman, he's in heaven now.
You're just self-deluded. To allow your sex life to be determined by this pathetic concept is even more stupid. No, I'm not advocating being a whore. Let's not turn this into ad hominems where we use the other extreme as a comparison to make ourselves feel superior. No, what I'm saying is, you've already given up on having free choices. You've already let others decide your happiness for you.
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Thank you for a detailed response. I'm happy to see that you've been thinking this over.
In regards to the first two paragraphs, how can you ignore all of the good in the world and claim that God is useless? The general belief in the Christian faith is that because of sin in the world, there's going to be both good from God and evil from Satan and/or man.
I think based on your answer, I'm concluding that your arguement is basing it on the view that there is no God and that all theists are self-deluded. In that sense, you're right. There is no meaning and no answer to suffering without a God. An atheist can only logically take a nihilistic stance with his beliefs. Also, your arguement seems to undermine the fact that as an Omnipotent God, He is the only one that can assess if there are morally sufficient reasons to allow evil to happen. Now justifying a belief in God with the problem of evil is based on the fact that God is omnipotent and that He is the one that best position to assess morally sufficient reasons to allow suffering, especially long-term when there's the infinitude of heaven and hell. But we have more information that purely just the killing of innocent children which lead to the conclusion that God is good and that it is man that is evil.
Also, you never directly countered my point in saying that "there's suffering, therefore God doesn't exist" isn't a logical conclusion from the premesis. In fact, there's no basis to give a moral standard as an atheist because it comes from society and isn't absolute. What are the grounds of your moral standard?
I'm just going to ignore the last paragraph because it's filled with lots of insults and Ad hominems.