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Torillian on 06 July 2013
Calmador said:

I have had a vision after giving God my faith and then asking/praying for God to give me proof. I know God is real. What do you say now?

A reasonable person would think along the thoughts of, "Oh.. maybe God is real?"

An unreasonable person will just ignore it and assume it was a hellusionation.

Which way will you take? If you wanted something real, there you have it. No lies, no money, no anything... just truth. I have had a vision after giving God my faith and then asking/praying for God to give me proof, now what do you think? Or are you just gonna walk away... clinging onto your unbelief?


I'm sorry, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ignore such claims that come without any proof.  Just as it's perfectly reasonable for you to ignore me if I tell you about my visions of Vishnu, Zeus, or Raptor Jesus.  I don't see it as clinging onto unbelief, it's just going with the answer that has the most evidence behind it.  



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Calmador on 06 July 2013
Torillian said:
I'm surprised by the idea that before Jesus you were "scamming to get girls to sleep with you everyday" (paraphrased). That seems a bit extreme if I'm honest, I mean sure if I was like that I guess I probably would need religion or something and it would make me a better person, but I think you should understand that most people aren't thinking of sex to such an extreme. You make it sound like you could barely function.

In the end though I think that there are some people that over emphasize sex in their lives, but for most of us it's just a fun part of life that doesn't consume my entire being. It's like how I enjoy chocolate, and do so in moderation, but if I was spending everyday eating chocolate for all my meals then yeah I probably shouldn't have any at all.

Everyone needs God, not religion.

Some people... that's a bold faced lie. Look at our culture norms... players are admired. Consider the TV show, "How I met your mothe." If we truly, truly we're a nation that dissapproved of immoral sexual conduct.. if the vast majority of us truly, truly, were as you say we were there would be an outrage and outcry for the behavior of "Barny" an outright player. But, that's not the case is it. We know what the cultural norm is men looking for women for sex. I could go so far as to say that men in general are semi-players who look for the most physcially attractive women to decieve. This is what's average and you say "some."This is a problem. And everyone needs God.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Calmador on 06 July 2013
PhoenixKing said:
Torillian said:
I'm surprised by the idea that before Jesus you were "scamming to get girls to sleep with you everyday" (paraphrased). That seems a bit extreme if I'm honest, I mean sure if I was like that I guess I probably would need religion or something and it would make me a better person, but I think you should understand that most people aren't thinking of sex to such an extreme. You make it sound like you could barely function.

In the end though I think that there are some people that over emphasize sex in their lives, but for most of us it's just a fun part of life that doesn't consume my entire being. It's like how I enjoy chocolate, and do so in moderation, but if I was spending everyday eating chocolate for all my meals then yeah I probably shouldn't have any at all.


He's lying. 

I'm not lying. That's how it was... but thanks to God, God managed to keep me a virgin.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Torillian on 06 July 2013
Calmador said:
Torillian said:
I'm surprised by the idea that before Jesus you were "scamming to get girls to sleep with you everyday" (paraphrased). That seems a bit extreme if I'm honest, I mean sure if I was like that I guess I probably would need religion or something and it would make me a better person, but I think you should understand that most people aren't thinking of sex to such an extreme. You make it sound like you could barely function.

In the end though I think that there are some people that over emphasize sex in their lives, but for most of us it's just a fun part of life that doesn't consume my entire being. It's like how I enjoy chocolate, and do so in moderation, but if I was spending everyday eating chocolate for all my meals then yeah I probably shouldn't have any at all.

Everyone needs God, not religion.

Some people... that's a bold faced lie. Look at our culture norms... players are admired. Consider the TV show, "How I met your mothe." If we truly, truly we're a nation that dissapproved of immoral sexual conduct.. if the vast majority of us truly, truly, were as you say we were there would be an outrage and outcry for the behavior of "Barny" an outright player. But, that's not the case is it. We know what the cultural norm is men looking for women for sex. I could go so far as to say that men in general are semi-players who look for the most physcially attractive women to decieve. This is what's average and you say "some."This is a problem. And everyone needs God.

If you're going to try and pass off to me that the majority of men are players who try their best to decieve women into sex then you are going to need more than a popular TV show as proof.  Statistics of any kind would be welcome.  

I disagree, I'm doing just fine being an atheist.  Unless you mean that in some metaphysical sense assuming God as an all powerful being so noone would be anything without him, but that's an argument that assumes too much in the first place.  



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Calmador on 06 July 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
Is the OP actually ever going to post a Bible quote that says pre-marital sex is bad? None of the quotes posted say that.

Exodus 2:14

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

This is the "master" verse that speaks of either all or most of sexual immorality as I know it, as a Christian. This is one of the ten commandments.

Adultery is sex outside of marriage. This means you can't have sex with animals. This means that sex before marriage, fornificiation, is not something to do as-well.

I'm surprised you even need a verse to a very very well known principle.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

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Calmador on 06 July 2013
JinxRake said:
If God is ultimate...and is inherently sexless...why did he give us sexes?
If we are not to enjoy sex...why did he make it enjoyable?
If he gave us free will...why did he create things to test our free will or to limit our free will? I will give this child this toy but I will boil him alive if he plays with it, because I decree it so...yikes.
Why does God impose upon us rules that cannot be imposed on himself? He has no wife, he has no bodily child, he has no fluids, no nothing. He is literally telling us to not fuck around when he cannot even do such a thing.
Why are we to listen to a book that was written in a day and age when women had no rights, the will of men was ultimate, slaves abounded, sleeping with young girls was perfectly acceptable, selling children was acceptable as well, torture and cruel punishment were the norm? Also, why should we listen to a book that has been revised / translated / edited time and time again, transcribed and generally modified in ways we cannot even begin to imagine, for purposes that could as well serve Man as a whole or just a man because he preferred it so?



I always think of this image when I hear that some saint heard the voice of God and people followed him onto their own deaths at times.

I have asked the above questions time and time again and have never, EVER received a satisfactory answer, one in which I could not poke holes with just a bit of inspection. I have been told to shut up, I have been told that it's so because it's so - go go terrible religion teacher -, I have been told that God had protected his word - which I find to be baloney - and so on.

I am not attacking the belief of someone. I am merely stating why I, as an individual, cannot believe and will not believe in this. To ask me to do this is to ask me to go against my nature and lie to myself just to...to what precisely? To believe in happily ever after? I say pas.

We can have sex. Its just reserved for marriage. Is there anything with waiting for marriage and staying in a committed loving relationship?

Is there anything wrong with sex and lust before or out side of marriage? Sure, rape, players, beastiality, and cheating on your spouse.

God's will for is good. Its good for us to have control for our own bodies.

You imply thoughts for God. Those are your thoughts, not Gods.

On God himself being able to have sex. Actually God was capable of having sex. God was Jesus Christ in the flesh and Jesus never got married.

We should listen to the book because its God's word and we know it because of the self-evident truth and morals it holds.

You KNOW lying is wrong.

You KNOW stealing is wrong.

You KNOW its not okay to be a player and mess around with girls

You KNOW muder is wrong.

This is some of the principles the Bible teaches and you KNOW them to be true. Your against it because your learning towards evil. Are you going to stay like that?



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Calmador on 06 July 2013
Torillian said:
Calmador said:

I have had a vision after giving God my faith and then asking/praying for God to give me proof. I know God is real. What do you say now?

A reasonable person would think along the thoughts of, "Oh.. maybe God is real?"

An unreasonable person will just ignore it and assume it was a hellusionation.

Which way will you take? If you wanted something real, there you have it. No lies, no money, no anything... just truth. I have had a vision after giving God my faith and then asking/praying for God to give me proof, now what do you think? Or are you just gonna walk away... clinging onto your unbelief?


I'm sorry, but I don't think it's unreasonable to ignore such claims that come without any proof.  Just as it's perfectly reasonable for you to ignore me if I tell you about my visions of Vishnu, Zeus, or Raptor Jesus.  I don't see it as clinging onto unbelief, it's just going with the answer that has the most evidence behind it.  

My word is proof. I would'nt be saying it if it didn't happen. Also, the story makes sense. If someone pray in faith for God to answer and God answers. It is reasonable to conisder God exist and for other to think its possible.

Now, if I said... well I just had a vision at some radnom time... and I think it was form God. That story wouldn't make sense.

But, my story and report is that I specifically had Faith (which supposbly makese a connection with God) and then I specficially prayed for a vision for the purpose of proof. And as a result, I got one. That is a reasonable story and is not as vague as you make it out to be which was to just say... well I had a vision of Zues.. etc etc.

And I'm not the only one... and this was not the only time this happened to me. My brother had several spiritual encounters. He has seen shadows form into human figures and he wasn't the only one in the room. He had our young cousins in the same room and although they were young they and my brother saw that

These things happen. The spiritual realm is real and I garantee you that the Christian faith is easily the best based on moral standards, love, truth, justice and evidence. Don't just shrugg it off, ask about it and look for God. I know he exists via my own eyes.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Calmador on 06 July 2013
Torillian said:
Calmador said:
Torillian said:
I'm surprised by the idea that before Jesus you were "scamming to get girls to sleep with you everyday" (paraphrased). That seems a bit extreme if I'm honest, I mean sure if I was like that I guess I probably would need religion or something and it would make me a better person, but I think you should understand that most people aren't thinking of sex to such an extreme. You make it sound like you could barely function.

In the end though I think that there are some people that over emphasize sex in their lives, but for most of us it's just a fun part of life that doesn't consume my entire being. It's like how I enjoy chocolate, and do so in moderation, but if I was spending everyday eating chocolate for all my meals then yeah I probably shouldn't have any at all.

Everyone needs God, not religion.

Some people... that's a bold faced lie. Look at our culture norms... players are admired. Consider the TV show, "How I met your mothe." If we truly, truly we're a nation that dissapproved of immoral sexual conduct.. if the vast majority of us truly, truly, were as you say we were there would be an outrage and outcry for the behavior of "Barny" an outright player. But, that's not the case is it. We know what the cultural norm is men looking for women for sex. I could go so far as to say that men in general are semi-players who look for the most physcially attractive women to decieve. This is what's average and you say "some."This is a problem. And everyone needs God.

If you're going to try and pass off to me that the majority of men are players who try their best to decieve women into sex then you are going to need more than a popular TV show as proof.  Statistics of any kind would be welcome.  

I disagree, I'm doing just fine being an atheist.  Unless you mean that in some metaphysical sense assuming God as an all powerful being so noone would be anything without him, but that's an argument that assumes too much in the first place.  

The best statistics are 100% acurate, no? Let's talk about you alone for a bit so we know where you stand infront of God's standards. I want to show you that your not so different from the "majority" of men. So, have you ever lusted?



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Torillian on 06 July 2013
Calmador said:

The best statistics are 100% acurate, no? Let's talk about you alone for a bit so we know where you stand infront of God's standards. I want to show you that your not so different from the "majority" of men. So, have you ever lusted?


Statistics are a sight better than "this is how I see the entire world from my limiated encounters with it.

Yep, I've lusted.  



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Torillian on 06 July 2013
Calmador said:

My word is proof. I would'nt be saying it if it didn't happen. Also, the story makes sense. If someone pray in faith for God to answer and God answers. It is reasonable to conisder God exist and for other to think its possible.

Now, if I said... well I just had a vision at some radnom time... and I think it was form God. That story wouldn't make sense.

But, my story and report is that I specifically had Faith (which supposbly makese a connection with God) and then I specficially prayed for a vision for the purpose of proof. And as a result, I got one. That is a reasonable story and is not as vague as you make it out to be which was to just say... well I had a vision of Zues.. etc etc.

And I'm not the only one... and this was not the only time this happened to me. My brother had several spiritual encounters. He has seen shadows form into human figures and he wasn't the only one in the room. He had our young cousins in the same room and although they were young they and my brother saw that

These things happen. The spiritual realm is real and I garantee you that the Christian faith is easily the best based on moral standards, love, truth, justice and evidence. Don't just shrugg it off, ask about it and look for God. I know he exists via my own eyes.


Your word is not proof, proof requires something repeatable that you can show everyone or some recorded evidence you can show for your word.  That's the way the scientific process works.  

You know he exists, I'm sticking with he doesn't based off the current evidence.  



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