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lxhizy on 04 July 2013

Sex is a part of the human nature, God gave us dicks and vaginas not just for decoration issues.



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riderz13371 on 04 July 2013

"But we paraphrase a book written 3,500 years ago"

-Macklemore.



PhoenixKing on 04 July 2013
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:

Your God is fake, your religion is a fraud, and this stupid idealism has led to more 13 year olds getting pregnant than you could imagine. But go on, continue to live in your self-deluded 'liberation' that obediance to something you've never even met has meaning in your life while I laugh at you from my high exalted throne of cynicism. 


I'm sorry you feel that way. Do you want to talk about it?


What would be the point? People should've realized the deluded concept of God the moment their children got sent to war every 20 years and died over government trickery. 

It certainly is tragic that people die in meaningless wars, there's no question about that. The alternative would be to force people not to be greedy and selfish via taking our free will, and that would be a more unjust God in my opinion.

Regardless, evil in the world doesn't logically rule out the existance of a God, no matter how you feel emotionally.


That's an empty argument. 


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elaborate, please. I want to see where you're coming from.


If all the wars, starvation, and greed have no bearing on God's goodness then God is ultimately useless. Most people probably rationalize that they go to hell so the religious mind can feel better about itself for only fulfilling the role in their head's of what makes a good person. It's the perfect worker mindset. People will be satisfied because they think some sort of extra infinite life in some magic paradise is actually real. This is what helps the circular and outright idiotic "God helps those who helps themselves" arguments. Despite the fact that it's self-contradictory, people are led to believe that helping yourself is God giving them strength. 

The whole point of the religious mindset is to make you feel better because you're going to happyland after your violent death from either murder or cancer and then the 'evil' people making millions off you and others like you are going to 'hell' to 'suffer' because God is apparently fair, and just, and kind. Despite the fact, your day-to-day life is not and there is some child being violently murdered somewhere around the world. Perhaps even in your country, State, or neighborhood, but you can just ignore that. The bad people are getting punished and the violently murdered child is going to heaven where everything is right because you believe it's right. Go pray or go to church on sundays to remind yourself of how good, and happy, and wonderful of a person you are and how you need to keep your spirits up. Don't worry about that innocent child who was killed by a gunman, he's in heaven now.

You're just self-deluded. To allow your sex life to be determined by this pathetic concept is even more stupid. No, I'm not advocating being a whore. Let's not turn this into ad hominems where we use the other extreme as a comparison to make ourselves feel superior. No, what I'm saying is, you've already given up on having free choices. You've already let others decide your happiness for you. 

 

Thank you for a detailed response. I'm happy to see that you've been thinking this over.

In regards to the first two paragraphs, how can you ignore all of the good in the world and claim that God is useless? The general belief in the Christian faith is that because of sin in the world, there's going to be both good from God and evil from Satan and/or man. 

I think based on your answer, I'm concluding that your arguement is basing it on the view that there is no God and that all theists are self-deluded. In that sense, you're right. There is no meaning and no answer to suffering without a God. An atheist can only logically take a nihilistic stance with his beliefs. Also, your arguement seems to undermine the fact that as an Omnipotent God, He is the only one that can assess if there are morally sufficient reasons to allow evil to happen. Now justifying a belief in God with the problem of evil is based on the fact that God is omnipotent and that He is the one that best position to assess morally sufficient reasons to allow suffering, especially long-term when there's the infinitude of heaven and hell. But we have more information that purely just the killing of innocent children which lead to the conclusion that God is good and that it is man that is evil.

Also, you never directly countered my point in saying that "there's suffering, therefore God doesn't exist" isn't a logical conclusion from the premesis. In fact, there's no basis to give a moral standard as an atheist because it comes from society and isn't absolute. What are the grounds of your moral standard?

I'm just going to ignore the last paragraph because it's filled with lots of insults and Ad hominems.


This is the most ignorant answer ever. Using childish notions to justify wanton murder is just pathetic. Good and evil? So apparently, those 5 year-old children and two pregnant women who were burned alive by US drone strikes died because God allowed Free Will which is good, right? If you agree, then we have nothing more to talk about. You're just a psychopath justifying murder for your magic happy land. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxAWNd_DZ6w

You should know about this, right? Skip to 2:00. A Yemenese man who grew-up and studied in an American university became a youth activist and went to the US Congress to describe what he saw from the drone strikes in Yemen. He witnessed the dead bodies of two children and two pregnant women who were so burned by the blast that it was hard to identify what was left of their bodies.

But you don't care. I already know your answer. You believe that you're a good person and that there's nothing you can do because of Big government, so you don't try because you think all you can do is love your family. Well then, you're not a good person, you don't really care because you do nothing, and if there is a God, then I assure you that you're going to hell for not standing up for humanity and actually caring about others outside your comfort zone.

Not that you'll listen. Good day. 



RCTjunkie on 04 July 2013
PhoenixKing said:
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:


If all the wars, starvation, and greed have no bearing on God's goodness then God is ultimately useless. Most people probably rationalize that they go to hell so the religious mind can feel better about itself for only fulfilling the role in their head's of what makes a good person. It's the perfect worker mindset. People will be satisfied because they think some sort of extra infinite life in some magic paradise is actually real. This is what helps the circular and outright idiotic "God helps those who helps themselves" arguments. Despite the fact that it's self-contradictory, people are led to believe that helping yourself is God giving them strength. 

The whole point of the religious mindset is to make you feel better because you're going to happyland after your violent death from either murder or cancer and then the 'evil' people making millions off you and others like you are going to 'hell' to 'suffer' because God is apparently fair, and just, and kind. Despite the fact, your day-to-day life is not and there is some child being violently murdered somewhere around the world. Perhaps even in your country, State, or neighborhood, but you can just ignore that. The bad people are getting punished and the violently murdered child is going to heaven where everything is right because you believe it's right. Go pray or go to church on sundays to remind yourself of how good, and happy, and wonderful of a person you are and how you need to keep your spirits up. Don't worry about that innocent child who was killed by a gunman, he's in heaven now.

You're just self-deluded. To allow your sex life to be determined by this pathetic concept is even more stupid. No, I'm not advocating being a whore. Let's not turn this into ad hominems where we use the other extreme as a comparison to make ourselves feel superior. No, what I'm saying is, you've already given up on having free choices. You've already let others decide your happiness for you. 

 

Thank you for a detailed response. I'm happy to see that you've been thinking this over.

In regards to the first two paragraphs, how can you ignore all of the good in the world and claim that God is useless? The general belief in the Christian faith is that because of sin in the world, there's going to be both good from God and evil from Satan and/or man. 

I think based on your answer, I'm concluding that your arguement is basing it on the view that there is no God and that all theists are self-deluded. In that sense, you're right. There is no meaning and no answer to suffering without a God. An atheist can only logically take a nihilistic stance with his beliefs. Also, your arguement seems to undermine the fact that as an Omnipotent God, He is the only one that can assess if there are morally sufficient reasons to allow evil to happen. Now justifying a belief in God with the problem of evil is based on the fact that God is omnipotent and that He is the one that best position to assess morally sufficient reasons to allow suffering, especially long-term when there's the infinitude of heaven and hell. But we have more information that purely just the killing of innocent children which lead to the conclusion that God is good and that it is man that is evil.

Also, you never directly countered my point in saying that "there's suffering, therefore God doesn't exist" isn't a logical conclusion from the premesis. In fact, there's no basis to give a moral standard as an atheist because it comes from society and isn't absolute. What are the grounds of your moral standard?

I'm just going to ignore the last paragraph because it's filled with lots of insults and Ad hominems.


This is the most ignorant answer ever. Using childish notions to justify wanton murder is just pathetic. Good and evil? So apparently, those 5 year-old children and two pregnant women who were burned alive by US drone strikes died because God allowed Free Will which is good, right? If you agree, then we have nothing more to talk about. You're just a psychopath justifying murder for your magic happy land. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxAWNd_DZ6w

You should know about this, right? Skip to 2:00. A Yemenese man who grew-up and studied in an American university became a youth activist and went to the US Congress to describe what he saw from the drone strikes in Yemen. He witnessed the dead bodies of two children and two pregnant women who were so burned by the blast that it was hard to identify what was left of their bodies.

But you don't care. I already know your answer. You believe that you're a good person and that there's nothing you can do because of Big government, so you don't try because you think all you can do is love your family. Well then, you're not a good person, you don't really care because you do nothing, and if there is a God, then I assure you that you're going to hell for not standing up for humanity and actually caring about others outside your comfort zone.

Not that you'll listen. Good day. 


I'm glad you apparently know my answer before I even say it, completely misinterpreting me in the process....

I guess we'll end here as suggested.



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PhoenixKing on 04 July 2013
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:
RCTjunkie said:
PhoenixKing said:


If all the wars, starvation, and greed have no bearing on God's goodness then God is ultimately useless. Most people probably rationalize that they go to hell so the religious mind can feel better about itself for only fulfilling the role in their head's of what makes a good person. It's the perfect worker mindset. People will be satisfied because they think some sort of extra infinite life in some magic paradise is actually real. This is what helps the circular and outright idiotic "God helps those who helps themselves" arguments. Despite the fact that it's self-contradictory, people are led to believe that helping yourself is God giving them strength. 

The whole point of the religious mindset is to make you feel better because you're going to happyland after your violent death from either murder or cancer and then the 'evil' people making millions off you and others like you are going to 'hell' to 'suffer' because God is apparently fair, and just, and kind. Despite the fact, your day-to-day life is not and there is some child being violently murdered somewhere around the world. Perhaps even in your country, State, or neighborhood, but you can just ignore that. The bad people are getting punished and the violently murdered child is going to heaven where everything is right because you believe it's right. Go pray or go to church on sundays to remind yourself of how good, and happy, and wonderful of a person you are and how you need to keep your spirits up. Don't worry about that innocent child who was killed by a gunman, he's in heaven now.

You're just self-deluded. To allow your sex life to be determined by this pathetic concept is even more stupid. No, I'm not advocating being a whore. Let's not turn this into ad hominems where we use the other extreme as a comparison to make ourselves feel superior. No, what I'm saying is, you've already given up on having free choices. You've already let others decide your happiness for you. 

 

Thank you for a detailed response. I'm happy to see that you've been thinking this over.

In regards to the first two paragraphs, how can you ignore all of the good in the world and claim that God is useless? The general belief in the Christian faith is that because of sin in the world, there's going to be both good from God and evil from Satan and/or man. 

I think based on your answer, I'm concluding that your arguement is basing it on the view that there is no God and that all theists are self-deluded. In that sense, you're right. There is no meaning and no answer to suffering without a God. An atheist can only logically take a nihilistic stance with his beliefs. Also, your arguement seems to undermine the fact that as an Omnipotent God, He is the only one that can assess if there are morally sufficient reasons to allow evil to happen. Now justifying a belief in God with the problem of evil is based on the fact that God is omnipotent and that He is the one that best position to assess morally sufficient reasons to allow suffering, especially long-term when there's the infinitude of heaven and hell. But we have more information that purely just the killing of innocent children which lead to the conclusion that God is good and that it is man that is evil.

Also, you never directly countered my point in saying that "there's suffering, therefore God doesn't exist" isn't a logical conclusion from the premesis. In fact, there's no basis to give a moral standard as an atheist because it comes from society and isn't absolute. What are the grounds of your moral standard?

I'm just going to ignore the last paragraph because it's filled with lots of insults and Ad hominems.


This is the most ignorant answer ever. Using childish notions to justify wanton murder is just pathetic. Good and evil? So apparently, those 5 year-old children and two pregnant women who were burned alive by US drone strikes died because God allowed Free Will which is good, right? If you agree, then we have nothing more to talk about. You're just a psychopath justifying murder for your magic happy land. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxAWNd_DZ6w

You should know about this, right? Skip to 2:00. A Yemenese man who grew-up and studied in an American university became a youth activist and went to the US Congress to describe what he saw from the drone strikes in Yemen. He witnessed the dead bodies of two children and two pregnant women who were so burned by the blast that it was hard to identify what was left of their bodies.

But you don't care. I already know your answer. You believe that you're a good person and that there's nothing you can do because of Big government, so you don't try because you think all you can do is love your family. Well then, you're not a good person, you don't really care because you do nothing, and if there is a God, then I assure you that you're going to hell for not standing up for humanity and actually caring about others outside your comfort zone.

Not that you'll listen. Good day. 


I'm glad you apparently know my answer before I even say it, completely misinterpreting me in the process....

I guess we'll end here as suggested.


Good. You know I'm right so you won't try to argue with the truth. 



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JinxRake on 04 July 2013

If God is ultimate...and is inherently sexless...why did he give us sexes?
If we are not to enjoy sex...why did he make it enjoyable?
If he gave us free will...why did he create things to test our free will or to limit our free will? I will give this child this toy but I will boil him alive if he plays with it, because I decree it so...yikes.
Why does God impose upon us rules that cannot be imposed on himself? He has no wife, he has no bodily child, he has no fluids, no nothing. He is literally telling us to not fuck around when he cannot even do such a thing.
Why are we to listen to a book that was written in a day and age when women had no rights, the will of men was ultimate, slaves abounded, sleeping with young girls was perfectly acceptable, selling children was acceptable as well, torture and cruel punishment were the norm? Also, why should we listen to a book that has been revised / translated / edited time and time again, transcribed and generally modified in ways we cannot even begin to imagine, for purposes that could as well serve Man as a whole or just a man because he preferred it so?



I always think of this image when I hear that some saint heard the voice of God and people followed him onto their own deaths at times.

I have asked the above questions time and time again and have never, EVER received a satisfactory answer, one in which I could not poke holes with just a bit of inspection. I have been told to shut up, I have been told that it's so because it's so - go go terrible religion teacher -, I have been told that God had protected his word - which I find to be baloney - and so on.

I am not attacking the belief of someone. I am merely stating why I, as an individual, cannot believe and will not believe in this. To ask me to do this is to ask me to go against my nature and lie to myself just to...to what precisely? To believe in happily ever after? I say pas.



PhoenixKing on 04 July 2013
JinxRake said:
If God is ultimate...and is inherently sexless...why did he give us sexes?
If we are not to enjoy sex...why did he make it enjoyable?
If he gave us free will...why did he create things to test our free will or to limit our free will? I will give this child this toy but I will boil him alive if he plays with it, because I decree it so...yikes.
Why does God impose upon us rules that cannot be imposed on himself? He has no wife, he has no bodily child, he has no fluids, no nothing. He is literally telling us to not fuck around when he cannot even do such a thing.
Why are we to listen to a book that was written in a day and age when women had no rights, the will of men was ultimate, slaves abounded, sleeping with young girls was perfectly acceptable, selling children was acceptable as well, torture and cruel punishment were the norm? Also, why should we listen to a book that has been revised / translated / edited time and time again, transcribed and generally modified in ways we cannot even begin to imagine, for purposes that could as well serve Man as a whole or just a man because he preferred it so?



I always think of this image when I hear that some saint heard the voice of God and people followed him onto their own deaths at times.

I have asked the above questions time and time again and have never, EVER received a satisfactory answer, one in which I could not poke holes with just a bit of inspection. I have been told to shut up, I have been told that it's so because it's so - go go terrible religion teacher -, I have been told that God had protected his word - which I find to be baloney - and so on.

I am not attacking the belief of someone. I am merely stating why I, as an individual, cannot believe and will not believe in this. To ask me to do this is to ask me to go against my nature and lie to myself just to...to what precisely? To believe in happily ever after? I say pas.


Pretty much. And although I absolutely hate Sam Harris, he is correct when he says that if religious people do they math then they should just expect to go to hell as a matter of probability. Even within the same religion, there are some rules that demand following in certain sects that define if you get sent to magic volcano land. So really, they should just assume they're going to hell regardless. Me, I'm free from such empty suppositions. 



Calmador on 06 July 2013
allenmaher said:
Calmador said:
allenmaher said:
Seriously a save sex for marriage thread? This is 2013 right not 1913. I don't see any particular value to saving sex for marriage. I have been married 10 years now and sex is a small component of a long term relationship, paying bills and raising kids takes way more of our time. Sex is good, marriage is good, no need to wait for marriage to enjoy the former.

As a species we suck at monogamy, We used to conduct a few basic lab exercises in first year biology like blood typing and comparing that to peoples parents and looking at the inheritance of the ABO types people had. it is not done any more because every single year multiple students found out that their father was not who they thought it was. If we did the same with DNA about 25% of the students would find out that their daddy is not their 'real' daddy.

Enjoy sex, enjoy marriage, if you are not enjoying either you are doing something wrong. And using a poorly translated 2 thousand year old text to justify your decisions? Have you read that thing?

Well, after praying for a vision so God can prove himself and then getting a vision... yes I'd justify myself with a God that exists. A God that says to only to the right thing and nothing else but the right thing.

As for the versions that have mistranslations, well who's mistakes were they? Not God's eh?

If it makes you happy, have fun with that.  Follow it to your heart's content.  Just don't expect the rest of us to, or expect others to believe in your 'visions' as evidence of devine truth.

Its not about happiness. I'm a truth seeker. This is abour doing the right thing. It never was about happiness...

I'm amazed that people can just ignore things like that. I think it shows people not being reasonable because any reasonable person would wonder.. and think, "Hey maybe God does exist since someone experienced these things" but I think you and many people perfer to ignore it just for the sake of sin. I recommend you re-consider that choice... but either way, see you around the forums.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Calmador on 06 July 2013
akuseru said:
Calmador said:

For the record, I say what I say because I know he exists. I also say it because the teachings make sense in avoiding evil actions. (ie Don't obessively think sexually about the opposite sex) I also say what I say based off results on myself and others. I want that to be remembered.

Also, I mentioned a scene where Jesus whiped manipulative merchants that were tricking poor people. That clearly showed that the God does not approve of manipulating people for power. Yet, you couldn't accept that. I might understand how other things I've said are harder for you to accept but not that one. Anyways...

I guess we're done here. I'll see you around

I have a question for you OP, based on your believes in general.

Looking at your profile, I see you mention RTS, FPS and Fighting as your favourite genres in gaming (as well as RPGs). As a servant of this GOD you speak of, how can you enjoy genres games that pretty much all 'glorify' violence, killing, murder and war? Have not GOD taught you that 'thou shall not kill'? How does GOD feel about this? Would not all this virtual violence be compared to 'engaging in adultery with their hearts' in GOD's eyes? I know for sure that if I was GOD, I would be heavily disappointed in you and banish you from Heaven and send you to the pits of hell!

But as any religious person I have met, I guess you are just being selective with your believes, and follow only what suits YOU (i.e being selfish) and being a complete hypocrite.

Also, I will share you something about my experience with GOD, and hopefully I will not get banned from the Heavens of VGChartz for this:

A couple of years back, I was plagued with heavy bowel obstruction. For months, I could simply not get the stool to pass... Then one day, while sitting on the toilet, pushing for hours, I thought to myself: "This has been going on for such a long time, and I cannot seem to get rid of it. I have tried numerous doctors, but nothing has worked... It is now time for me to turn to GOD for advice". So closed my eyes, and folded my hands in prayer: "Dear GOD. I have never done you any wrong, and still you have given me such hardships. If you will let me pass this stool in peace, I will forever live as your servant".  Suddenly, dark clouds gathered outside my bathroom window, followed by a bright clear sky. Then I heard a deep voice speak: "My child, fear not. I have heard your prayers and I will appear before you". Suddenly, I felt some kind of sensation in my intestines, and from my anus, rivers of stool flowed. I had never witnessed anything like this before in my life, and I immediately embraced this an act of GOD.

From that day, I have unconditionally been a follower of GOD.

Its "Thou shalt not MURDER" not "Thou shalt not kill"

Murder means that you kill for evil reasons. This is what that commandment really says, "Thou shalt not murder"

Kill is a general word that literally ONLY describes taking away life. Murder is a type of killing. Another word to make things clear is execution, this word means killing for justified reasons like breaking the law, captial punishment.

If I had a penny everytime used that bad interpertation... I'd be rich! There are bad interpertations of that verse and people qoute it. The Israelites had armys for self defence (killing to defend themeselves) and Jesus talked to a soldier and never told him to NOT be a soldier.  As you can see, its okay to kill in self-defence but not for evil reasons.

So, all questions regarding that bad verse are invalid. I enjoy being a hero in the games and that's fine. I've played fallout 1 and did every good choice you can make... and didn't even take things from people's homes even if it wasn't considered stealing in the game.

 1. You use a bad translation, "Thou shalt not kill"

2. You said you think you go to heaven by means of works. You don't go to heaven for "being good"

You clearly don't know the basics of my beliefs....

About your "story".... cool story... here's mine....

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"I was raised in a "Christian" home. I say "Christian" because looking at my parents now, I don't think they we're Christian. My dad has the mouth of a sailor and my mom hasn't changed. Christians change for the better after they convert and my mom is still the same.

Anyways, I'd go to Church every Sunday and was even the usher boy. I suppose you can say I believed in God... but didn't understand much about what the Bible said. Growing older, I realized there were other religions and there was the big bang theory and evolution. This made me wonder if my beliefs were true.

I doubted. I basically became an agnostic. I was 11 and that was the year I went to middle school and started to be interested in girls. I knew about sex by then and knew guys can have sex with girls. I watched porn with my big brother. That's how I knew. While I was really tempted, I also had that thought in the back of my head about God. The thought of him existing. This was a point in my life. The point where I made the decision not to have sex until I found out for sure if God exists. If he exists I though, then this is wrong and consciously I personally thought it was wrong because I was thinking of basically being a player. I also thought it was good and noble to wait until marriage. I remembered a verse (Genesis 2:24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.) The idea of becoming one flesh made sex seem special like it meant something more. I figured... yeah they don't exactly become one flesh but I imagine that has a deeper meaning. I remembered Pastors saying it should be saved for marriage. All these things, led me to that decision. I also decided to not speak, befriend, get a girlfriend or socialize with girls. I figured that's the only way I'll "survive."

I'm a teenager.

I wanted to know the fundamental questions to life. I figured if I know the beginning and the foundations of everything... I'd understand where to go and how to live my life. That was just my thinking as a teenager. So, off I went to look through different religions and then I realized I had a lot of resources for Christianity. If I was gonna look through all the religions. I'll start with the easiest.

And you know I really liked what I found out about my faith. I looked at the Ten Commandments and said... This is good... Thou shall not murder, Thou shall not steal... Why are people against this? I wanted to believe it was true but I wanted to KNOW it was true too. I kept going to church and listening to the Pastor carefully....

I also put up creationism vs evolution/big bang theory against each other and came up with nothing. Evolution and the big bang theory seems unlikely because of the chances of it happening. It gave an explanation but an unbelievably possible explanation. Creationism, gave me one sound argument to believe that God was capable of creating the earth. That argument was that if God created a man... (not a baby or fetus) then isn't it possible for God to have created an aged earth? While that was said, at the same time I really wanted to see God or some kind of a miracle. I mean I thought... cool, that might explain the billions of years (if the billions of years is true) but still... how do I know for sure. I mean I've never seen God or an angel. I really wanted to know for sure.

All this happening while I looked at my own roots. I'm Latino. When I read the history of how the Spanish did a lot of things to my ancestors. The tension for knowing whether God existed or not... built up even more. I would often say outloud and in my head. Why would God allow that? "God why would you ALLOW THAT?" I grew angry.

I'm 16 years old.

I became a racist. I hated white people just because they had skin color in common with them. Because I knew that part of the wealth of white people was due to the things that happened in the past. The gold from the Aztecs and Incans.... The slavery of the African. I was looking for people that thought like me. People wanted to embrace their roots and maybe avenge our ancestors. I wanted to kill white people. I was boiling but still in control.

I decided I was going to make a decision that would led my life into one or the other direction. Either God exists and God will bring justice to all crimes... or he doesn't and I should uphold Justice myself by making the children of white people suffer, die and pay off their debt. I wondered if they should all die. But again, if God exists then according to him it would be wrong for me to take Justice into my own hands. So, I decided to try God.

From what I understood in studying the Bible and what Pastors taught. I knew that in order to get a connection with God I had to first trust him. I had to first have faith in him. So, I looked through the Bible and looked for reasons to put my faith in God. I looked through some of the stories and the two things that stuck out were Jesus and the Ten Commandments. I liked Jesus, I'd have faith in God because of Jesus. I also like how sensible the Ten Commandments are... God I thought the Ten Commandments made God worthy of me putting my faith in him. That's when I could put my test into the works.

My test was a prayer for a miracle. I decided if God really does exist then he would and could perform a miracle for me. After all he did make fire rain... Moses split a river apart... Jesus walked on water. I asked God for a vision. And here is my prayer from memory... (copied and pasted from writing it in the past)

God I don’t care about heaven or hell, although it makes sense that good guys go to heaven and bad guys go to hell. Heck, even if this was my only life-time and this was all I had. I’d serve a God like you all my life…not sure what to say…I guess the point is… I don’t want to have to bring justice but… if you don’t exist then that’s what I’ll have to do… If you do exist then I know you will bring justice for everyone someday… on judgment day… I just want to know the truth… I want to know what’s right?... I want to believe in you but… I really want something… solid... I want proof. (tears fall and my head lowers further) … And I’m not even sure if it’s okay to ask you that but…didn’t you make fire rain for one of your prophets?… and what about Gideon!? (I inhale and exhale) Didn’t he test you? In faith... you responded to him right?… That’s what I want to do God… So I’m going to give you faith, it’s what you want right?... I’m going to trust you to give me a vision as a sign… and if it happens, I’ll serve you the rest of my life… but if doesn’t happen… I will (sigh) never believe in you… and always deny you… For the rest of my life… please respond… Amen

I waited. A few days past. Then I got angry and looked up and said, "Don't you care about what I'm going to do to them?! Aren't you suppose to be a God of Love?!" I calmed down and breathed. I said to myself, "Its okay Israel, if God's real then he can decide when the miracle will happen. Remember Abraham (Bible story) waited his whole life for his miracle to happen. I can wait a few more days. Maybe his waiting for a special number. I know he likes the number 3,5 and 7... maybe his waiting for that many days to pass?"

Then it happened.

I woke up in the middle of the night and I saw what might've been the star of David on my room's ceiling. It was a triangle like shape with a circle around it. It was light green. That's when I knew. The next morning I was jumping and skipping all over the place, saying,"I had a vision, God exists, I had a vision, God exists" LOL

And that wasn't the last time I had prayers answered for me nor was it... the only time I had supernatural experiences. My brother has seen more things than me from what he tells me. He's seen demons. So, this is how I know. I know because I've seen God in action and because I know I'm not the only one.

I still had my struggles after that though... I was still struggling with sex. But, I've come a long way. And here I am now telling you about it. "

 



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Calmador on 06 July 2013
PhoenixKing said:
Calmador said:

Genesis 2:24

24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Its the last phrase that caught my eye as a kid. The become one flesh... made me respect sex as something more.. That phrase had some depth.

Matthew 5:27-28

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

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This kind of practice has been done before. Its not impossible. I'm trying to do it and so far, it has been liberating. It feels like your enslaved if you "need" to have sex.

So, if we all took God's idea of keeping a pure mind... before AND after marriage.... and as a result, saving sex for marriage and still after marriage maintaining self-control. (what I mean by self-control is that your not dominated by sex... even though you can have sex in marriage) Would we have a better society? Would there be as many players if men AND women in general could'nt "play" around before marriege? Yes, women can go out and do the same.

I would think so, since men and women would'nt have sex on thier minds as a goal but instead a family or a relationship. Also, men/women wouldn't care as much about looks and appearance. We'd make better choices on relationship. What do you think?


Your God is fake, your religion is a fraud, and this stupid idealism has led to more 13 year olds getting pregnant than you could imagine. But go on, continue to live in your self-deluded 'liberation' that obediance to something you've never even met has meaning in your life while I laugh at you from my high exalted throne of cynicism. 

I have had a vision after giving God my faith and then asking/praying for God to give me proof. I know God is real. What do you say now?

A reasonable person would think along the thoughts of, "Oh.. maybe God is real?"

An unreasonable person will just ignore it and assume it was a hellusionation.

Which way will you take? If you wanted something real, there you have it. No lies, no money, no anything... just truth. I have had a vision after giving God my faith and then asking/praying for God to give me proof, now what do you think? Or are you just gonna walk away... clinging onto your unbelief?



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.