I've got a lack of incentive to buy an xbox1 look how they have flip flopped on their vision? They knew they was ripping you off and back peddled because they knew it would backfire on them

I will gladly pay 100 more to get triple OS features,kinect,skype,twitch upload studio combo and the best cloud service in the world(i think).
Coupled with the best first and third party lineup of exclusive games or timed exclusive content (atleast until now) and other exclusive partnerships with other media providers.
Xbox one has value for those who are willing to look for it but you are right in saying that one of the major advantages that the one had (drm) is now gone (for now).

1) Ps+ is 10 dollars cheaper than live. It also has more features i.e letting friend take over game, long term game rentals

2) The internet connection doesn't have to be good on your end. It's just like streaming high quality video and audio from youtube and uploading button inputs.

3) You have to download a patch to make a 360 out of your One. It doesn't come that way. I already explained how this is negative.

1) Ps+ is 10 dollars cheaper than live. It also has more features i.e letting friend take over game, long term game rentals

10 Dollars a year. Less than 1 dollar a month. Ok, with limited pocket-money... But really no issue. But again, we don't have any details on Live regarding XBL. Or do you have? I doubt so.

2) The internet connection doesn't have to be good on your end. It's just like streaming high quality video and audio from youtube and uploading button inputs.

Hahaha, what? Of course you need good internet - try playing a shooter with a ping of 100 ms. No way. It seems you don't understand the tech.

3) You have to download a patch to make a 360 out of your One. It doesn't come that way. I already explained how this is negative.

Yes, everything is bad for MS and everything Sony does is good. Understood your agenda.

1) 10 dollars cheaper with more features is better than 10 dollars more expensive with less features.

2) If you can stream high quality video and sound, you won't be getting 100 ms ping from any shooter, unless the server is on the other side of the world.

3) No comment.

1) 10 dollars cheaper with more features is better than 10 dollars more expensive with less features.

Are you kidding me?! We *don't* have any details regarding XBL on Xbone. I asked you for more details, you don't have them. So keep your mouth shut regarding features.

2) If you can stream high quality video and sound, you won't be getting 100 ms ping from any shooter, unless the server is on the other side of the world.

As I said you don't understand the tech. And nice you didn't answer to the other things like only selected games and only in US in 2014. But I didn't expect anything other.

At the same time they have to watch TV through the X1 to earn even more trophies, probably while eating doritos. Oh, the life of the hardcore gamer is so tiring.

MS's only issue was price. they won the marlet by offering the same product at a better price. Now with out the added features they had, they are more xpensive with nothing to show for it. I dont thin this will help them any. they would need a price cut to make a difference now.

EXACTLY! Someone gets it!

1) Maybe we don't know about X1's online features because they lack any.

2) I explained why you wouldn't need fast internet to use this service. You disagreed saying "You don't understand the tech." Exactly what would I be streaming that would require me to have top tier internet speeds? ---------------- (Checkmate incoming)