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walsufnir said:
kupomogli said:
tuscaniman99 said:
This is exactly why I despise Killzone. Yeah its a great looking FPS, but that is all. The controls are terrible and 60fps should be the standard for a FPS. I don't want to hear "its supposed to feel that way and GG wanted 30fps." battlefield has heft to its guns and it runs at 60FPS+ (PC) and it is responsive. Being unresponsive and 30fps =/= heft.

So why is your avatar Master Chief from Halo?  None of the Halo games run at 60fps.


because there is no nextgen-halo. halo5 is said to be 60 fps,

Doesn't change the fact that he said 60fps should be standard for a FPS and then listed Battlefield 4 for PC being 60fps as he knows the console versions aren't.

Also love how you cherry picked all the bad things about out of the article, but a game likeInfamous Second Son got nothing but praise being one of the best looking games, with no frame drops or pop in that they saw at the demo.



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Conegamer said:
Nobody is interested because it isn't all positive. Negative Nintendo news and positive Sony news always get the most posts

Hopefully the games will be somewhat more next-gen come launch.

Nobody is interested because it has nothing to do with anything. This isn't negative news. 1080/30fps is a design decision that showcases a consoles graphics. It's not like PS4 can't do 1080p/60FPS is thats what you or some other people think.

Forza 5 is the only game confirmed to be running at 1080p/60. So is Gran Turismo 5. So yeah, its a design decision. Forza 5 still doesn't have weather effects from what I hear. You sacrifice one thing for another. That's how game development works, especially in the rush of being ready for the launch of new consoles.



walsufnir said:
kupomogli said:
tuscaniman99 said:
This is exactly why I despise Killzone. Yeah its a great looking FPS, but that is all. The controls are terrible and 60fps should be the standard for a FPS. I don't want to hear "its supposed to feel that way and GG wanted 30fps." battlefield has heft to its guns and it runs at 60FPS+ (PC) and it is responsive. Being unresponsive and 30fps =/= heft.

So why is your avatar Master Chief from Halo?  None of the Halo games run at 60fps.


because there is no nextgen-halo. halo5 is said to be 60 fps,

Yeah but that's not coming until next year. November 2014 I'd bet.

How much do you want to bet that Killzone SF will have better graphics than Halo Next?

60FPS didn't seem to matter to Halo fans before. Why is it so important now?



kupomogli said:
walsufnir said:
kupomogli said:
tuscaniman99 said:
This is exactly why I despise Killzone. Yeah its a great looking FPS, but that is all. The controls are terrible and 60fps should be the standard for a FPS. I don't want to hear "its supposed to feel that way and GG wanted 30fps." battlefield has heft to its guns and it runs at 60FPS+ (PC) and it is responsive. Being unresponsive and 30fps =/= heft.

So why is your avatar Master Chief from Halo?  None of the Halo games run at 60fps.


because there is no nextgen-halo. halo5 is said to be 60 fps,

Doesn't change the fact that he said 60fps should be standard for a FPS and then listed Battlefield 4 for PC being 60fps as he knows the console versions aren't.

Also love how you cherry picked all the bad things about out of the article, but a game likeInfamous Second Son got nothing but praise being one of the best looking games, with no frame drops or pop in that they saw at the demo.


Well, I think the all-praised ps4-hardware raised expectations which this article counters. Games still look good but to me it's no news to say "everything looked great" when ps4 is set to dominate in every way imaginable.

 

And infamous? Wait, I saw something on GAF ... Oh yeah, that's it:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=64821861&postcount=1113



VGKing said:
Conegamer said:
Nobody is interested because it isn't all positive. Negative Nintendo news and positive Sony news always get the most posts

Hopefully the games will be somewhat more next-gen come launch.

Nobody is interested because it has nothing to do with anything. This isn't negative news. 1080/30fps is a design decision that showcases a consoles graphics. It's not like PS4 can't do 1080p/60FPS is thats what you or some other people think.


Of course it can but then it will look worse.



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VGKing said:

walsufnir said:
kupomogli said:
tuscaniman99 said:
This is exactly why I despise Killzone. Yeah its a great looking FPS, but that is all. The controls are terrible and 60fps should be the standard for a FPS. I don't want to hear "its supposed to feel that way and GG wanted 30fps." battlefield has heft to its guns and it runs at 60FPS+ (PC) and it is responsive. Being unresponsive and 30fps =/= heft.

So why is your avatar Master Chief from Halo?  None of the Halo games run at 60fps.


because there is no nextgen-halo. halo5 is said to be 60 fps,

Yeah but that's not coming until next year. November 2014 I'd bet.

How much do you want to bet that Killzone SF will have better graphics than Halo Next?

60FPS didn't seem to matter to Halo fans before. Why is it so important now?


Many gamers want to see a new level of graphics and many think 60 fps is part of it. Ask the ones who want 60 fps. And given ps4 has better hardware and killzone only renders in 30fps (with frame-hiccups by now) it *should* look better - everything else would be a shame.



walsufnir said:

Well, I think the all-praised ps4-hardware raised expectations which this article counters. Games still look good but to me it's no news to say "everything looked great" when ps4 is set to dominate in every way imaginable.

 

And infamous? Wait, I saw something on GAF ... Oh yeah, that's it:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=64821861&postcount=1113

Every game have their flaws... even so inFAMOUS together with The Division was the most impressives games at the show



60fps matters this Gen. If these consoles can't hit 1080p and 60fps for every game then they shouldn't have been released. Next Gen hasn't even started yet and compromises are already being made. We aren't talking about Halo on the 360. Its funny if any negative thing about Playstation is mentioned the Sony fans come to the rescue and defend it but they sure like to pile on when its Xbox related. You can dish it out bit you can't take it.



walsufnir said:
Skeeuk said:
These are incomplete games I'm sure final products will be excellent. I really want to see killzone in proper action in previews/reviews


We are not talking about fun but technical issues. But yes, it *could* happen that the issues get fixed. Would be a shame if it didn't (devs praising the console, 50% more power than Xbone, Sony generally better than MS in any imaginable way...).

PS4 is more capable but GG wants to put more details at less frame rate which is good instead of going high frame rate with degraded details. They can push the game between 40-60 easily but but they want to keep the frame rate constant so for now they choose to stick at 30 and try to push this when the game is in beta.

Xbox is less capable than this and that Forza is said to be on 1080 60fps is becoz of cloud computing so we can't play that game without cloud computing at 60fps and also this game can't do weather and night effects which is a shame and its becoz of its less power than PS4.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

And yes Battlefield is running at 60fps on PS4 and Xbox One. Looks like Killzone is the only shooter that isn't. If that was a design choice then it was a stupid one at that but keep defending it.