you don't even know how big the game or how big the worlds are. And you think we won't get another 3D Mario this gen? They wouldn't abonden the 120 Star style Mario's. They did so well on the Wii.

No.
3D Land is HUGE on 3DS. People likes this formula.
3D World will easily outsell games like Super Mario Sunshine.

If it sells 5 million as you´re saying, still it will be A LOT more than 99% of the so-called "mature hardcore" games sales out there.

I laugh at the 3D Land hate here. People that were expecting it to be anything near the 3D Mario games have only themselves to blame. Of course it won't be anything like them, it's on the handheld and was made for the handheld. That is what Nintendo usually does with their games.
They separate them apart and make them for the system it will be on.

That aside, I can't think of 3DWorld doing worse and Sunshine, it will probably do around Galaxy 2 numbers.

What I'm taking from this thread is that this game is lazy, but if it had orchestrated music, it wouldn't be lazy.

Crazy...

It does make total sense they also have  short levels and a really useless time limit. Plus they also dont have several "missions" per level like "real" 3D mario games have.

Wow, this thread doesn't have a high temperature at all! :)

3D World is probably a fine game. Nintendo would never make a BAD Mario platformer. But judging from this thread, it's success is highly doubtful. Many Mario fans, 2D, 3D and both seem to be lukewarm to the game.

Nintendo disappointed the 2D Mario fans with NSMB2 and NSMBU, after the INSANE success of both NSMB and NSMBWii, they made two cheap sequels.

NSMBWii was my favorite game in YEARS, but I have still no urge to get NSMBU, as it looks like more of the same. It's like lost levels to SMB1.

Now Nintendo is creating the impression of "more of the same" with 3D World. A lot of people will love that, but a lot of people already feel cheated. You can't argue against that, you can see it in this thread. Even if 3DWorld turns out to have fantastic gameplay, some damage has already been done to the Mario brand with the releases of the last 2 years.

personally I don't think 3D world has the capacity to lift the Wii U as much as Nintendo needs it to. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the game per se.

3D Land is great by handheld standards, but that doesn't cut it as console 3D Mario material.

3D Land was new in 2011, the same approach in 2013 on a home console is no longer new. I lumped Land in with the NSMB games because it's essenially NSMB in 3D; it tries to apply 2D Mario's trappings and structure to a 3D game. This works for a handheld, but for World it is an inherently limited approach as it's not taking advantage of the possibilities a 3D Mario on a console like the Wii U offers.

It's not going to fall short because it's not Galaxy, it's going to fall short because based on what we've seen so far it seems generic, cheap, unambitious and lazy.

The backlash is not contained to this thread though... Not only is this game very similar to a handheld game, it is the successor of said title. Had this been a sequel of sorts but with major differences I don't think people would bitch as much. From the looks of it it's not only a sequel to a handheld game, but t doesn't add anything except co-op (more or less). Do you really think that this game is as innovative as Galaxy? Does this make you go "wooow" the same way Galaxy did? (Why am I asking YOU this?! You love everything Mario that resembles 2D Mario... =P j/k ofc) What I'm trying to say is that the issue of this being a sequel and the none-existing innovation goes hand in hand, and is a major disappointment. And of course ppl want to see high production values; it's something Wii U SEVERELY lacks!!

I think you might be partially right about your second paragraph though - and this ties in with what I'm saying; not expanding the Marioverse and lack of innovation/something new is creating a backlash. NSMB2 and NSMBU is more or less simply copy/paste - as is Galaxy 2, as well as SM3DW, and that's not what people wants from their first 3D Mario for Wii U; they want something new.

I think you're wrong in some aspects - but right in others. If it's going to "all short because based on what we've seen so far it seems generic, cheap, unambitious and lazy", then why didn't NSMWii fall short as well? That's essentially a copy/paste from the DS title, isn't it? This is the EXACT same situation, only we had already gotten our Galaxy before we got NSMBWii (that and the fact that we hadn't seen a 2D Mario on a home console for 20 years). This game would not be considered lazy and unambitious had we gotten a "proper" 3D Mario beforehand.