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HikenNoAce on 20 June 2013
Raze said:
HikenNoAce said:

Raze said:

 The price of gas used to be $1.50/gallon too. There's no point living in the past. Numbers dwindle over time.  The current numbers for 2013 show the PS3 selling at the rate I mentioned prior. Nothing at this stage is going to make the PS3 (or any other console) outperform previous years, short of a MAJOR price slash, and I'm talking like $125 PS3s, which won't happen.

 


And once again, you ignore that 45% of PS3 sales occur during the holiday season. Good job, dude.

Also, what makes you think that the price will never drop that low?

And once again, you ignore that the numbers I stated INCLUDE the increase during the holidays, even though I've already stated that twice.

Why won't the price drop that low? Simply because of the lack of profit for Sony in doing such. At this stage of the game, they're pushing efforts on the PS4, their upcoming flagship. Surpassing the Wii doesn't come with a money bonus, so they're not going to take a further financial hit just to boost their numbers. Come E3 2014, the Wii/PS3/360 gen will slow down to a point that will barely register in LTD sales/market share. It's merely the reality of the way the industry works. Games will come out for them still, but the sales will be nominal, at best.

No, you didn't - you talked about the PS3 numbers for 2013. During the last holiday quarter so Oct-Dec 2012, the gap decreased at the rated of around 300,000 per week.

So, you're saying that Sony would rather get virtually no revenue from the PS3 than drop the price?



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Raze on 20 June 2013
HikenNoAce said:
Raze said:
HikenNoAce said:

Raze said:

 The price of gas used to be $1.50/gallon too. There's no point living in the past. Numbers dwindle over time.  The current numbers for 2013 show the PS3 selling at the rate I mentioned prior. Nothing at this stage is going to make the PS3 (or any other console) outperform previous years, short of a MAJOR price slash, and I'm talking like $125 PS3s, which won't happen.

 


And once again, you ignore that 45% of PS3 sales occur during the holiday season. Good job, dude.

Also, what makes you think that the price will never drop that low?

And once again, you ignore that the numbers I stated INCLUDE the increase during the holidays, even though I've already stated that twice.

Why won't the price drop that low? Simply because of the lack of profit for Sony in doing such. At this stage of the game, they're pushing efforts on the PS4, their upcoming flagship. Surpassing the Wii doesn't come with a money bonus, so they're not going to take a further financial hit just to boost their numbers. Come E3 2014, the Wii/PS3/360 gen will slow down to a point that will barely register in LTD sales/market share. It's merely the reality of the way the industry works. Games will come out for them still, but the sales will be nominal, at best.

No, you didn't - you talked about the PS3 numbers for 2013. During the last holiday quarter so Oct-Dec 2012, the gap decreased at the rated of around 300,000 per week.

So, you're saying that Sony would rather get virtually no revenue from the PS3 than drop the price?

It's not news that Sony loses money per console sold. There's a certain pricepoint that makes it not even worth selling for, because the revenue on the backend via software and licensing doesn't cover.  For example, if you had a product that cost yuo $100 to make, sold it for $75, but would get $5 for every unit sold, you'd be doing ok. But if you started selling it for $20, the profit and investment would be negligible.

I'd like to see where you pulled those numbers from, seems a large margin of error for such an extended period of time. Black Friday- Christmas, I could believe, prior, seems unlikely.



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HikenNoAce on 20 June 2013

Raze said:

It's not news that Sony loses money per console sold. There's a certain pricepoint that makes it not even worth selling for, because the revenue on the backend via software and licensing doesn't cover.  For example, if you had a product that cost yuo $100 to make, sold it for $75, but would get $5 for every unit sold, you'd be doing ok. But if you started selling it for $20, the profit and investment would be negligible.

I'd like to see where you pulled those numbers from, seems a large margin of error for such an extended period of time. Black Friday- Christmas, I could believe, prior, seems unlikely.


I would like a source for that claim - that they are losing money per console sold. Because last I checked, they were making a profit on each PS3 sold.



Raze on 21 June 2013
HikenNoAce said:

Raze said:

It's not news that Sony loses money per console sold. There's a certain pricepoint that makes it not even worth selling for, because the revenue on the backend via software and licensing doesn't cover.  For example, if you had a product that cost yuo $100 to make, sold it for $75, but would get $5 for every unit sold, you'd be doing ok. But if you started selling it for $20, the profit and investment would be negligible.

I'd like to see where you pulled those numbers from, seems a large margin of error for such an extended period of time. Black Friday- Christmas, I could believe, prior, seems unlikely.


I would like a source for that claim - that they are losing money per console sold. Because last I checked, they were making a profit on each PS3 sold.

Really? You know about Google right? 6 seconds of searching finds the following:

2006 - http://www.pcworld.com/article/127906/article.html

2013 - http://www.play-mag.co.uk/latest-playstation-news/sony-still-selling-ps3s-at-a-loss/

At least now I understand that you're just going to say the opposite of the truth I'm providing, regardless of logic or fact.



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http://www.thecarnivalofshadows.com 


HikenNoAce on 21 June 2013
Raze said:
HikenNoAce said:

Raze said:

It's not news that Sony loses money per console sold. There's a certain pricepoint that makes it not even worth selling for, because the revenue on the backend via software and licensing doesn't cover.  For example, if you had a product that cost yuo $100 to make, sold it for $75, but would get $5 for every unit sold, you'd be doing ok. But if you started selling it for $20, the profit and investment would be negligible.

I'd like to see where you pulled those numbers from, seems a large margin of error for such an extended period of time. Black Friday- Christmas, I could believe, prior, seems unlikely.


I would like a source for that claim - that they are losing money per console sold. Because last I checked, they were making a profit on each PS3 sold.

Really? You know about Google right? 6 seconds of searching finds the following:

2006 - http://www.pcworld.com/article/127906/article.html

2013 - http://www.play-mag.co.uk/latest-playstation-news/sony-still-selling-ps3s-at-a-loss/

At least now I understand that you're just going to say the opposite of the truth I'm providing, regardless of logic or fact.

 

See what happens when you only do 6 seconds of research? You come up with outdated data. You article is not from 2013, it's from February 2010. Here's an article from the end of April 2010:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/sony-ps3-upgraded-with-cooler-45-nm-rsx-graphics-chip-profits-a/

 

As you can see, Sony has been turning a profit on the PS3 for more than 2 years now.



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Raze on 21 June 2013
HikenNoAce said:
Raze said:
HikenNoAce said:

Raze said:

It's not news that Sony loses money per console sold. There's a certain pricepoint that makes it not even worth selling for, because the revenue on the backend via software and licensing doesn't cover.  For example, if you had a product that cost yuo $100 to make, sold it for $75, but would get $5 for every unit sold, you'd be doing ok. But if you started selling it for $20, the profit and investment would be negligible.

I'd like to see where you pulled those numbers from, seems a large margin of error for such an extended period of time. Black Friday- Christmas, I could believe, prior, seems unlikely.


I would like a source for that claim - that they are losing money per console sold. Because last I checked, they were making a profit on each PS3 sold.

Really? You know about Google right? 6 seconds of searching finds the following:

2006 - http://www.pcworld.com/article/127906/article.html

2013 - http://www.play-mag.co.uk/latest-playstation-news/sony-still-selling-ps3s-at-a-loss/

At least now I understand that you're just going to say the opposite of the truth I'm providing, regardless of logic or fact.

 

See what happens when you only do 6 seconds of research? You come up with outdated data. You article is not from 2013, it's from February 2010. Here's an article from the end of April 2010:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/sony-ps3-upgraded-with-cooler-45-nm-rsx-graphics-chip-profits-a/

 

As you can see, Sony has been turning a profit on the PS3 for more than 2 years now.

Then why are there more here from 2012 saying otherwise?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118856-Sony-Losing-Money-on-PSP-PS3

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/sony-loses-312-million-to-start-off-2012-playstation-loses-45-million/

Also, your posted article only talks of the hardware upgrade, that it "might turn a profit in the near future", but is merely a hypothetical statement about future PS3 sales. They never turned a profit like the article said, because they lowered the price to combat the XB360 price drop.

I know I'm not going to get you to understand the reality of this. It's truly a case study of the Allegory of the Cave.



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http://www.thecarnivalofshadows.com 


JoeFlex on 21 June 2013

Don't jump the gun buddy. The green beast is just revving up and has the pile to keep the other 2 on their toes. Too early to tell.



madmaniac on 21 June 2013

Wii has already won 7th generation. Nothing can be done about that anymore!



HikenNoAce on 21 June 2013
Raze said:
HikenNoAce said:

See what happens when you only do 6 seconds of research? You come up with outdated data. You article is not from 2013, it's from February 2010. Here's an article from the end of April 2010:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/sony-ps3-upgraded-with-cooler-45-nm-rsx-graphics-chip-profits-a/

 

As you can see, Sony has been turning a profit on the PS3 for more than 2 years now.

Then why are there more here from 2012 saying otherwise?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118856-Sony-Losing-Money-on-PSP-PS3

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/sony-loses-312-million-to-start-off-2012-playstation-loses-45-million/

Also, your posted article only talks of the hardware upgrade, that it "might turn a profit in the near future", but is merely a hypothetical statement about future PS3 sales. They never turned a profit like the article said, because they lowered the price to combat the XB360 price drop.

I know I'm not going to get you to understand the reality of this. It's truly a case study of the Allegory of the Cave.


*sigh*

You should really read what you post, dude. Those figures are for the whole of SCE so not just the PS3. And here are the numbers for the quarter following the one that you posted (profit of $29M):

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q2_sony.pdf

and the quarter after that one (profit of $53M):

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q3_sony.pdf

Anything else to add?



HikenNoAce on 21 June 2013
madmaniac said:
Wii has already won 7th generation. Nothing can be done about that anymore!


The Wii cannot win if they don't sell more than the competition.