forza's cars have a plastic look to them that i don't really favour if you ask me

drive club from the screens i've seen looks more organic

I can't say. Drive Club looks more realistic but Forza looks... prettier? It has a lot more post-processing effects going on.

Forza = big budget CGI animation.  Drive Club = real life.

Yes no more Cell or PowerPC at least, that by all accounts will make it easier all round for devs.

Both systems are getting plenty of development tool support from middleware, yes SONY for will need to continue to polish the accessibility to the PS4 and I think they understood this was key from the experience with PS3 and Cell, they are in new territory now with x86 but going by the vibe from developers they are doing a good job thus far.

Some info on the evolution of the PS4 Dev kit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeBOAhtSYO4

why oh why do you always have to come into a thread with your wonderful logic?this guy rught here says it all.cool post.rep +2000 

Most racing enthusiasts are also car enthusiasts, and like I've already stated, Drive Club plays entirely from the first person perspective, something that most people really into racing games are actually interested in.  As I mentioned in my post, I didn't know if it was simulation, but a report from Edge Online made it seem so, and someone mentioned afterwards that wasn't correct. 

You can't really say as a fact that one developer isn't going to do a complete 180 and create an entirely different game than what they've previously created.  To prove that.  Polyphony Digital developed Motor Toon Grand Prix 1 and 2, arcade racers, then went and developed Gran Turismo, then Omega Boost, one of the best on rail shooters ever made, then back to Gran Turismo again.  So there really wasn't a need to be a complete douche in your reply.

That being said.  Turn10 isn't the best.  Polyphony Digital is better and depending on your game preference, Sony Liverpool was better than them. 

about the same really, hard to say when they are both so photo realistic (the worst graphic style ever)

i watched the GT comparison and in motion couldn't see much difference other than the obvious different in pallet. forza is much more colorful to drive clubs gritty.

Well that's the best style when it comes to games featuring real cars.  Capcom is the only company that tried a completly different style in a car game with real cars in Auto Modellista it got mediocre sales and reviews so I doubt anyone will ever try anything radically different anytime soon.

I just perfer the graphics in Arcade racers, they are good but not ultra realistic. Games like Colin McRae and Sega Rally just seem better because of it. But i guess i just hate tarmac. But even games like need for speed hot pursuit, burnout, midnight club, blur and split/ second appeal better to me than any racing sim

Well I prefer tarmac racing, but I have a strong suspision that Forza 5 will include some off road races especially since Turn 10 helped in the development of Forza Horizion.