Hynad said: Zizzla_Rachet said: Nem said: lol... this is Microst. You realise that? You realise they lie to you and dont care right? A good portion of those "15" exclusive will: a) Be kinect games. b) Be indie games published by microsoft. c) Be delayed past the first 12 months. Look at this as the Nintendo "launch window". Microsoft isnt gonna have 15 AAA games ready to go in 12 months. Especially if the rumors that they cancelled stuff is true. This, just like most of the stuff Microsoft pulls, is just smoke and mirrors. I reminds me of the: "and Xbox one is gonna release on............. later this year!". That is Microsoft in a nuttshell. They lured you in and then proceed to crush you like a grape once you're in reach. How would you be sure of that....? Dpn't bother asking him to elaborate on that... "If it's not Nintendo, it's probably crap".

Ps4 does not have a locked realease date...Why is he not bashing Sony for that

Zizzla_Rachet said: Hynad said: Zizzla_Rachet said: Nem said: lol... this is Microst. You realise that? You realise they lie to you and dont care right? A good portion of those "15" exclusive will: a) Be kinect games. b) Be indie games published by microsoft. c) Be delayed past the first 12 months. Look at this as the Nintendo "launch window". Microsoft isnt gonna have 15 AAA games ready to go in 12 months. Especially if the rumors that they cancelled stuff is true. This, just like most of the stuff Microsoft pulls, is just smoke and mirrors. I reminds me of the: "and Xbox one is gonna release on............. later this year!". That is Microsoft in a nuttshell. They lured you in and then proceed to crush you like a grape once you're in reach. How would you be sure of that....? Don't bother asking him to elaborate on that... "If it's not Nintendo, it's probably crap". Ps4 does not have a locked realease date...Why is he not bashing Sony for that

Well, he does downplay Sony from time to time. Just look at his post history...

But yeah, only Nintendo stuff gets a free pass with him.

Zizzla_Rachet said: Michael-5 said: Zizzla_Rachet said: Michael-5 said: The X-Box 360 dominated the PS3 in the number of quality exclusives up to 2009. 2009 was kind of a turning point, the point MS said "good enough" and gave up on publishing games. By this point, many timed exclusives went multi-platform as well. So no, Sony fans aren't worried. Chances are, of these 15 exclusives, 3 or 4 are Kinect games (like Dance Central), and half of them are timed exclusives, or will be available on PC. So in reality, MS only has about 5 true high quality exclusives, and they have this fall, and fall 2014 to deliver them. 2 Halo's, a Forza, and probably a new Gears of War, are not anything new...... Microsoft did not give up on publishing games...atleast i'm assuming that the REd Rings kept them finacialy tied on a solution...atleast that what I think.. "of these 15 exclusives, 3 or 4 are Kinect games (like Dance Central), and half of them are timed exclusives, or will be available on PC." Kinda did, can you name a big 360 exclusive which released in 2010 or later that isn't Forza, Gears, or Halo? Fable and Alan Wake don't count since they are available on PC, and as good as Dance Central may be, it's still Kinect, and it's still worthwhile to mention separatley. Well I guess Your right...about the games on 360....I'm even more hyped forE3 now...

Big Halo fan?

LOL, no offence, I just own a 360 and feel burnt by MS. They charge so much for XBLG, and cater achievements to using it, or buying games brand new, yet they offer very little.

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P.S. Some of those 15 exclusives could be arcade/indie games too, LOL

I'm disappointed. This thread should have died long ago.

Jega said: S.T.A.G.E. said: Naughty Dog has been loyal to Sony for the majority of my life and have been their first part for quite a while. Its just crazy what Jega is saying. The main thing I said was that what if Microsoft were to approach naughty dog what who they do? None of us know the answer to that question. It was just a thought.

Its not an option unless they leave Sony or Sony lets them go. Sony and Naughty Dog are a match made in Heaven. They are like Sonys Rare, except Sony doesn't piss them off when they make creative decisions like Nintendo did Rare.

Cj2i3 said: @Jega here are both Sony's and Microsofts 1st party developers a long with recent games and metascores just so you know what first parties both own. You look at Microsoft and Sony's respective development studios and you pretty much find your answer whether Sony fans are worried or not. Sony: Metascore Naughty Dog: Uncharted(88, 96, 92) Sony Santa Monica: God of War(92, 80) Media Molecule: LittleBigPlanet (95, 91) Guerilla Games: Killzone (91, 84) SCE Japan(Project Siren): Siren(78) SCE Japan(Team ICO): ICO & Shadow of the Colossus (90, 91, 92) SCE Japan: Gravity Rush(83)Tokyo Jungle(74) Polyphony Digital: Gran Turismo 5 (84), older GT's (95+) SCE San Diego: MLB The Show( 90,91,90, 87, 87) SCE Bend: Resistance Retribution(81) Uncharted Golden Abyss(80) Sucker Punch: InFamous(85,82) Sony Online Entertainment: DCUO(72) Planetside (81) SCE London: Singstar(82) Wonderbook(72) Guerilla Cambridge: LittleBigPlanet[PSP](87) Tv Superstars(56) Evolution Studios: Motorstorm(84, 82, 77) Microsoft: 343 Studios: Halo(87) Turn 10: Forza(90, 92, 91) Good Science Studio: Kinect Adventures!(61) Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment: work-in-progress Microsoft Studios LA: Work-In-Progress Microsoft Studios Mobile: Work-in-progress Platform Next Studios: Work-in-Progress Playful Learning: Work-in-progress Skybox Sports: Work-in-progress Twisted Pixel Games: The Gunstringer(77) Xbox Live Productions: South park Tower Defense:(72) South Park Tenormans revenge(52) Lionhead:Fable Series:(89,80, 55, 61) Lift London: Work-in-progress Press Play: Work-in-progress Rare: Banjo Kazooie(79,77) Viva Piñata(84, 82) Soho Productions: Kinect Sesame Street Tv(76) BigPark: Kinect Sports Season 2(66) Joyride Series(52,67) <--- LOL Black Tusk Studio: Work-in-progress Microsoft Studios Victoria: Work-in-progress Microsoft Studios Osaka: Work-in-progress

LOL, I find it funny that you mention a lot of MS studios which were recently bought, or created and have not produced any games, and studios which produce crap.

Anyway, this is an impressive list of studios, but it's what the studio develops that counts. Sony has 14, 1st party studios which have produced games with scores of 80+, and 7 which have produced scores of 90+. Nintendo has 13 studios, 12 of which have produced games of 80+, 7 of which have produced games of 90+, MS has 20 studios, only 4 of which have produced games with 80+, and only a single developer which has produced games with 90+ scores.

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So I'll take Nintendo's or Sony's 7 (each) extremely capable studios, over Microsofts 1. LOL

Michael-5 said: Zizzla_Rachet said: Michael-5 said: Zizzla_Rachet said: Michael-5 said: The X-Box 360 dominated the PS3 in the number of quality exclusives up to 2009. 2009 was kind of a turning point, the point MS said "good enough" and gave up on publishing games. By this point, many timed exclusives went multi-platform as well. So no, Sony fans aren't worried. Chances are, of these 15 exclusives, 3 or 4 are Kinect games (like Dance Central), and half of them are timed exclusives, or will be available on PC. So in reality, MS only has about 5 true high quality exclusives, and they have this fall, and fall 2014 to deliver them. 2 Halo's, a Forza, and probably a new Gears of War, are not anything new...... Microsoft did not give up on publishing games...atleast i'm assuming that the REd Rings kept them finacialy tied on a solution...atleast that what I think.. "of these 15 exclusives, 3 or 4 are Kinect games (like Dance Central), and half of them are timed exclusives, or will be available on PC." Kinda did, can you name a big 360 exclusive which released in 2010 or later that isn't Forza, Gears, or Halo? Fable and Alan Wake don't count since they are available on PC, and as good as Dance Central may be, it's still Kinect, and it's still worthwhile to mention separatley. Well I guess Your right...about the games on 360....I'm even more hyped forE3 now... Big Halo fan? LOL, no offence, I just own a 360 and feel burnt by MS. They charge so much for XBLG, and cater achievements to using it, or buying games brand new, yet they offer very little. --- P.S. Some of those 15 exclusives could be arcade/indie games too, LOL

The whole Red ring thing burned me pretty good....but the console kept selling some how....I doubt their going to annouce Indie games as exclusive....

Zizzla_Rachet said: Michael-5 said: Big Halo fan? LOL, no offence, I just own a 360 and feel burnt by MS. They charge so much for XBLG, and cater achievements to using it, or buying games brand new, yet they offer very little. --- P.S. Some of those 15 exclusives could be arcade/indie games too, LOL The whole Red ring thing burned me pretty good....but the console kept selling some how....I doubt their going to annouce Indie games as exclusive....

That's why I got an extended warrenty from Best Buy. Got an updated HDMI model right when my 3 years ended, and it's been working fine for....wow 3 years.

However I think it's going to RRoD soon, it refuses to boot sometimes, so I'm mad rushing all my 360 exclusives, LOL

Michael-5 said: Cj2i3 said: @Jega here are both Sony's and Microsofts 1st party developers a long with recent games and metascores just so you know what first parties both own. You look at Microsoft and Sony's respective development studios and you pretty much find your answer whether Sony fans are worried or not. Sony: Metascore Naughty Dog: Uncharted(88, 96, 92) Sony Santa Monica: God of War(92, 80) Media Molecule: LittleBigPlanet (95, 91) Guerilla Games: Killzone (91, 84) SCE Japan(Project Siren): Siren(78) SCE Japan(Team ICO): ICO & Shadow of the Colossus (90, 91, 92) SCE Japan: Gravity Rush(83)Tokyo Jungle(74) Polyphony Digital: Gran Turismo 5 (84), older GT's (95+) SCE San Diego: MLB The Show( 90,91,90, 87, 87) SCE Bend: Resistance Retribution(81) Uncharted Golden Abyss(80) Sucker Punch: InFamous(85,82) Sony Online Entertainment: DCUO(72) Planetside (81) SCE London: Singstar(82) Wonderbook(72) Guerilla Cambridge: LittleBigPlanet[PSP](87) Tv Superstars(56) Evolution Studios: Motorstorm(84, 82, 77) Microsoft: 343 Studios: Halo(87) Turn 10: Forza(90, 92, 91) Good Science Studio: Kinect Adventures!(61) Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment: work-in-progress Microsoft Studios LA: Work-In-Progress Microsoft Studios Mobile: Work-in-progress Platform Next Studios: Work-in-Progress Playful Learning: Work-in-progress Skybox Sports: Work-in-progress Twisted Pixel Games: The Gunstringer(77) Xbox Live Productions: South park Tower Defense:(72) South Park Tenormans revenge(52) Lionhead:Fable Series:(89,80, 55, 61) Lift London: Work-in-progress Press Play: Work-in-progress Rare: Banjo Kazooie(79,77) Viva Piñata(84, 82) Soho Productions: Kinect Sesame Street Tv(76) BigPark: Kinect Sports Season 2(66) Joyride Series(52,67) <--- LOL Black Tusk Studio: Work-in-progress Microsoft Studios Victoria: Work-in-progress Microsoft Studios Osaka: Work-in-progress LOL, I find it funny that you mention a lot of MS studios which were recently bought, or created and have not produced any games, and studios which produce crap. Anyway, this is an impressive list of studios, but it's what the studio develops that counts. Sony has 14, 1st party studios which have produced games with scores of 80+, and 7 which have produced scores of 90+. Nintendo has 13 studios, 12 of which have produced games of 80+, 7 of which have produced games of 90+, MS has 20 studios, only 4 of which have produced games with 80+, and only a single developer which has produced games with 90+ scores. ---- So I'll take Nintendo's or Sony's 7 (each) extremely capable studios, over Microsofts 1. LOL

Really? You base you appreciation of a game based on how high it scored on metacritics? If I was like you, I wouldn't have got the chance to play the gems that are the Fable games.  A game franchise that never scored above 89, yet still managed to become one of my favourite game series.

Your view on this is shallow at best. 

@Michael-5

Well I wanted to include both companies 1st party studios and I understand that Microsoft recently purchased some 1st-party studios hence the work-in-progress. The only studio that hasn't produced a game yet that I am excited for is Black Tusk and I'm only going on rumors. Their best studios are clearly 343 and Turn 10, while Lionhead seemingly has dropped off in production and Rare has rarely achieved a game above an 80 metacritic since Viva Piñata. As far as the list goes for Sony they own studios with fairly good track records, the worst studios for them this generation would have been Zipper and BigBig probably for the best they were shutdown, SCE Liverpool even produced an 89, 87, 79 shame they were closed. Overall though when it comes to 1st-party studios Sony and Nintendo have some quality studios while Microsofts younger studios are still growing. Hope I can expand the list by adding Nintendo and organizing it a bit, looks a tad sloppy because of all the work-in-progress studios are spread out rather than being at the bottom.