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darkknightkryta on 24 May 2013
jlrx said:

You can't run a business on 10%

However that is why GameStop came out and said 70% of their profits come from new games (possible also hardware).


What do you think their profit margin is on a new game?

I've no idea to be honest, with so many hands in that pot, it can't be too excessive.

In Canada Gamestop gets 4 dollars for every new 60 dollar game...



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Carl on 24 May 2013
Euphoria14 said:
Including the entire week since the XBone announcement Gamestop stocks are down a whopping 21%.


Speaks volumes really.

Thread worthy?



                            

kitler53 on 24 May 2013
Euphoria14 said:
kitler53 said:
EncodedNybble said:
My comments about buying from non retailers stems from my assumption that the logic is as such:

Put disc into xbone
Checks if game is associated with a different account, if so, require additional $35 (or some fee sane as borrowing the game)

The only way to buy a used game and guarantee that the previous owner unassociated their account (and thus not pay double) would be to buy from a retailer since the retailer can unassociate the game itself. All person to person reselling would become untrusted and die. Bleh


not just person to person.  when i got rockband 2 it came with a code to download 20 songs or whatever for free.  i noticed that the box was a little beat up but gamestop assured me that they were selling me a "new" product not a used one.  got home and someone had already used my song download code tying it to another account.  no amount of complaining to EA got my code to work and gamestop refused to help either.

i was so fucking pissed. 


I am sorry.

I can't name the amount of times I opened the cases on the shelves at Gamestop and took pictures of the codes inside. :/


and here i though we were friends..  :(



J_Allard on 24 May 2013
Euphoria14 said:


I am not saying you can't defend it, I am just saying that I do not. You choose to think "It's inevitable, so i'll just deal with it", meanwhile I choose "I'll vote with my wallet".

I have no problems pirating from here on out. I actually like to OWN the things I buy and have rights over them. I like to be able to sell it if I wish and not be handcuffed to specific retailers in order to do so. I bought it, it's mine. I should be able to maximize on my return.

I also do not buy my games on Steam or buy games that do no enable me to resell them privately if I wish to do so.

If it ends up being that terrible, I'll just stick to PC gaming. But this is the future of gaming on consoles. So you go ahead and pirate away, publishers and the big 3 won't care about your input because you aren't their customer anyway.

@bolded, enjoy gaming while you can, you're not long for this world.



J_Allard on 24 May 2013
mtu9356 said:
J_Allard said:
Euphoria14 said:
Also, for those saying "It's nice because the devs will get more money". No, they won't. The publishers will.

And that will go towards new and better things so in the end some of it does go to the developer. Furthermore if this means more people buying new and a new way for them to actually track used sales then maybe more developers get sales bonuses.

 

As for how some of us can dare defend this, idk if anyone is actually defending it so much as we see the inevitable. Stuff like this is coming to consoles, you might as well get used to the idea. Personally I think this is a great step up from the PC market, where you buy a game and it's stuck with you forever. If they can make it so you can go in and sell digital games as well, fucking awesome.

Pc games are significantly cheaper than console games, ever been on steam?  Why would u want to sell a game u got for 10$?  Retailers do a terrible job pricing older games.  Most downloadable games on consoles don't recieve price cuts either I've noticed.  

I use Steam. I love Steam. But Valve and the companies who put their games on Steam don't make them cheaper out of the kindness of their hearts. The market dictates the price. When heavy DRM hit the PC market, this is what publishers have to do to make gamers buy their games. It will take awhile but this is eventually going to happen on consoles as well. This is just the first step.



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Ail on 24 May 2013
darkknightkryta said:
jlrx said:

You can't run a business on 10%

However that is why GameStop came out and said 70% of their profits come from new games (possible also hardware).


What do you think their profit margin is on a new game?

I've no idea to be honest, with so many hands in that pot, it can't be too excessive.

In Canada Gamestop gets 4 dollars for every new 60 dollar game...

No they don't...



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Dgc1808 on 24 May 2013

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Rafux on 24 May 2013
sales2099 said:
I like it. Makes sense and used game sales benefit the industry, not just the retailer.


Why is this the only industry that wants a piece of the used sales market? Music, Movies, Cars, Books, etc, don't  do this kind of anti consumer policies.



SvennoJ on 24 May 2013
J_Allard said:
mtu9356 said:

Pc games are significantly cheaper than console games, ever been on steam?  Why would u want to sell a game u got for 10$?  Retailers do a terrible job pricing older games.  Most downloadable games on consoles don't recieve price cuts either I've noticed.  

I use Steam. I love Steam. But Valve and the companies who put their games on Steam don't make them cheaper out of the kindness of their hearts. The market dictates the price. When heavy DRM hit the PC market, this is what publishers have to do to make gamers buy their games. It will take awhile but this is eventually going to happen on consoles as well. This is just the first step.

I'll wait for it (cheaper prices) to happen on consoles then. If I can buy the games for $10 or less like on Steam, then fine I don't need to sell them on, and can spend an extra $10 to gift them to friends instead of giving the disc.

Oh well I've got 8 Kickstarter games lined up (all drm free), plenty more exciting current gen games coming out without restrictions. Next console gen can wait a couple of years. Excitement down to 0. Unless Sony stands up to EA etc and doesn't go along with this crap, but seeing as how 3rd party are ignoring the WiiU it's better to wait a while.



sales2099 on 24 May 2013
Rafux said:
sales2099 said:
I like it. Makes sense and used game sales benefit the industry, not just the retailer.


Why is this the only industry that wants a piece of the used sales market? Music, Movies, Cars, Books, etc, don't  do this kind of anti consumer policies.

That is irrelevant. What I see is more money in MS/Sony pockets, and 3rd parties do less layoffs. Gamestop will still make profits...just less.

As far as the gamer is concerned, they will go about their trading like they always have. I see no downside, unless we all suddenly care about Gamestop quarterly statements being lower all of a sudden.



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