Okay you can argue all you want whether Wii U will be the next dreamcast or not, I don't care since only time will tell. The gaming industry tends to be very unpredictable in nature so predictions are hard to make. But when people make statements such as "Wii U will drive Nintendo out of the home console market", that is when I facepalm.

No, Nintendo has enough money to be able to weather a failed system. They even have a relatively successful handheld market going which is a steady source of profit for them. There is no way they would just go under from one failed console.

everyone is waiting for  the consoles to be shown I doubt everyone is waiting to play the new killzone maybe like 1-2mil. gamers out of 100 mil.

I'm talking from an analysis point of view. I couldn't give a stuff if the Dreamcast was the best things since sliced bread (which I think it was, I had all the games worth having, played Shenmue 1/2 before anyone here later "discovered" it) Put more hours in crazy taxi 1/2 than most people have had hot dinners. Played House of the Dead 2 more than Virtua Cop 2 even...I'm a Sega person :)

Doesn't change the fact that piracy had nothing to do with it.

Yes the 2K games were better than the EA ones and the reviews were unanimous in their declaration of amazingness...but still, that doesn't change that most people didn't see it like that who didn't own a Dreamcast.

Oh and yes Resident Evil Code Veronica was heavenly at the time as was SOA, you should give the Gamecube version a go it's great!

I used to sell copied Dreamcast games myself after downloading them on those file sharing sites on a 56k modem then burning them in DiskJuggler ;) Good old Crazy Taxi was only a few MB before using the MP3 decrompresser from Echelon etc etc etc, been there done that was into the Dreamcast like a crazy fool...

 It was already dead. In fact didn't Sega release a revision without MIL CD support at least 6 months before it was dropped. Like you say, Sega ran out of cash, remmeber them even saying that they were dropping it but there were still "over 100 games due to be released for it"...of those 100, about 10 actually came out, if that.

Can't really disprove the piracy theory but would be very interested if you can find some sales link with when the Utopia disk came out and when self boots started to appear...I would actually like to be proven wrong on this as it's always interesting to learn something new, so if you do manage to track it down please post it and quote this so I can see it mate, thanks.

Yeah, the DC's failures was more a fault of Sega's bad moves and their bad finances, Sony just capitalised on it. Insinuating WiiU will be DC'ed when PS4/720 launch is as laughable and silly as when people said it for DS, 3DS,  Xbox 360 or any other system that launched before it's competitors.

But that was kinda my point, if the Dreamcast was so easy to mod(i believe it was) why didnt more people buy it? I know a few people that bought a DS and PSP just for that reason. Thats just me, dont know how many people actually done it, hell i bought another PSP and modded my old one.

People were just less aware back then, i guess.

that's possible

Not outside limited edition systems in Japan. All US and EU consoles supported MIL CD.

Yeah you lucked out in the US when SoA dropped the DC. In Europe a lot of those games did actually make it out. Though I still call bull on Jet Set Radio 2. That was blatently JSRF for Xbox even though Sega were adamant they were 2 separate games at the time.

We got lucky in Europe thanks to Bigben Interactve (a peripheral manufacturer like Mad Catz) picking up all rights to the system in Europe. They managed to get Headhunter, Shenmue 2 etc all released here.

I really followed Dreamcast closely at the time. Love the system. I'll agree piracy wasn't the single factor, but I still think it was a massively strong factor, certainly another "nail in the coffin" as you would say.

As for comparing Wii U to Dreamcast, it's just a massive LOL their circumstances are completely different in pretty much every way. Dreamcast was a next gen system that was ahead of it's time. Wii U is using current generation technology with new control ideas. Dreamcast came off the back of several high profile hardware failures for Sega, Wii U comes off the back of one of the best selling home consoles of all time. Sega threw everything but the kitchen sink at the Dreamcast software-wise. Nintendo have put out a handful of games in 6 months none of them IMO being a major system seller.

Wii U is selling worse than Vita and more competition won't help, "just wait until Wii U games come out" nextbox and PS4 will have their own exclusives too at launch and superior looking multiplats and games only made for those 2 consoles like The Witcher or Deep Down. Kinect 2 gimmick looks to be way more appealling to consumers than the gamepad gimmick. Nintendo Dreamcasted themselves.

Good summary, funnt actually haven't really thought about the Dreamcast that much since it went down the toilet. But this thread has reminded me that I think if maybe not the best games, certainly the most fun games were out on it for me at the time. Maybe that was down to age etc who knows, and I definitely always seem to tell people who make those threads about how great the Dreamcast was to shut it :)

That's the argumentative contrary git side in me, plus it seems to be the cool thing to think these days. Doubt those people even had a Dreamcast but you sir have my respect as you were clearly there when it all went down and thanks for reminding me of all those memories...remember the news on IGN now like it was yesterday and stupidly believing those "over 100 games" would be released.

Still, we did get Shenmue 2 (I'm from the UK ;)) so can't really complain even if not voice localized but some might say that was a good thing, again not me because it's cool to like undubs and I'm not cool! :P

...maybe I should try and be happier :D