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osed125 on 05 May 2013
oniyide said:
osed125 said:
Those two games (The Witcher 3 and Deep Down) won't simple be enough. And for what we know Deep Down might be a bad game or just average and not worth a new console (like most new IPs that come on a console's launch). 

Most games that have been announced for the PS4 and the rumored Xbox are going to be cross gen muliplats (Watch Dogs, Assassins Creed, CoD: Ghost, etc). Those are the type of games that sell consoles and all of them are available on consoles you probably already own. This means the potential new buyers are smaller than most people think, especially considering a price tag that will most likely be $400+ (not counting subscription base models, if there are any). For the PS4, unless you are a big fan of Killzone and Infamous (basically the Sony fanbase) there are no reasons to get the system at launch or 'launch window', no different from the Wii U. 

Granted this is based on what we right now as fact, there might be some games in the future, but for now that's speculation. 

So you're saying that PS4/720 will be the same reception wise like Wii U was? I dont agree but i kinda see where oyu are coming from.

For the beginning, yes. This will most likely change when there are no more cross gen multiplats. But given dev cost, install bases and all that jazz this transition between gens might take longer than previous ones.



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oniyide on 05 May 2013
osed125 said:
oniyide said:
osed125 said:
Those two games (The Witcher 3 and Deep Down) won't simple be enough. And for what we know Deep Down might be a bad game or just average and not worth a new console (like most new IPs that come on a console's launch). 

Most games that have been announced for the PS4 and the rumored Xbox are going to be cross gen muliplats (Watch Dogs, Assassins Creed, CoD: Ghost, etc). Those are the type of games that sell consoles and all of them are available on consoles you probably already own. This means the potential new buyers are smaller than most people think, especially considering a price tag that will most likely be $400+ (not counting subscription base models, if there are any). For the PS4, unless you are a big fan of Killzone and Infamous (basically the Sony fanbase) there are no reasons to get the system at launch or 'launch window', no different from the Wii U. 

Granted this is based on what we right now as fact, there might be some games in the future, but for now that's speculation. 

So you're saying that PS4/720 will be the same reception wise like Wii U was? I dont agree but i kinda see where oyu are coming from.

For the beginning, yes. This will most likely change when there are no more cross gen multiplats. But given dev cost, install bases and all that jazz this transition between gens might take longer than previous ones.

fair enough, i still think that either one or both of their situations will be better. For one they are showing games that are already noticably(SOny at least) better than PS360 and people who are into that will gobble that crap up. 



Play4Fun on 05 May 2013
Rafux said:
Play4Fun said:
Rafux said:
Play4Fun said:
Rafux said:
Dreamcast had way better graphics than PS1 and Saturn at launch, Wii U has nothing with way better graphics than PS3 and X360 titles 6 months after launch.

But we all know why Dreamcast failed, because everyone was waiting for PS2 the same way everyone is waiting for PS4 and X720

Yeah, the DC's failures was more a fault of Sega's bad moves and their bad finances, Sony just capitalised on it. Insinuating WiiU will be DC'ed when PS4/720 launch is as laughable and silly as when people said it for DS, 3DS,  Xbox 360 or any other system that launched before it's competitors.


Wii U is selling worse than Vita and more competition won't help, "just wait until Wii U games come out" nextbox and PS4 will have their own exclusives too at launch and superior looking multiplats and games only made for those 2 consoles like The Witcher or Deep Down. Kinect 2 gimmick looks to be way more appealling to consumers than the gamepad gimmick. Nintendo Dreamcasted themselves.

You're right, more competition won't help WiiU, marketing and games to end the current software drought will. And yeah, I'm sure the Witcher and deep down are more popular than a mario Kart or 3D Mario. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Wind Waker enhanced port beats those games' sales.

Also, i like how you can look into the future and tell that Kinect 2 is way more appealling.

Marketing and games is all you can answer, MS and Sony can have that too you know. I was pointing that besides exclusives there are games like The Witcher and Deep Down which are multiplatform games not coming to the Wii U (like GTA5) and they are increasing in number every month. N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too and Sony still beat them, the Wii motion control gimmick was wonderful, the Wii U gamepad is not.

Is not time travel or tarot reading is just looking at trends, kinect is a huge success even with its shorecomings, a much improved version bundled with every Nextbox is very appealing.

"marketing and games is all you can answer"

Yeah, cause...you know, that's the WiiU's problem right now...

 

"I was pointing that besides exclusives there are games like The Witcher and Deep Down which are multiplatform games not coming to the Wii U"

It's a good thing Nintendo isn't dependent on 3rd parties to sell their consoles then.

 

"N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too "

Good thing now aren't the same way they were back then.

 

"the Wii motion control gimmick was wonderful, the Wii U gamepad is not."

Know what the most important is  the Wii had that the WiiU hasn't had yet? A steady stream of good games.

 

"Is not time travel or tarot reading is just looking at trends, kinect is a huge success even with its shorecomings, a much improved version bundled with every Nextbox is very appealing."

Yes, as long as the games are there. 



Rafux on 05 May 2013
Play4Fun said:
Rafux said:
Play4Fun said:
Rafux said:
Play4Fun said:
Rafux said:
Dreamcast had way better graphics than PS1 and Saturn at launch, Wii U has nothing with way better graphics than PS3 and X360 titles 6 months after launch.

But we all know why Dreamcast failed, because everyone was waiting for PS2 the same way everyone is waiting for PS4 and X720

Yeah, the DC's failures was more a fault of Sega's bad moves and their bad finances, Sony just capitalised on it. Insinuating WiiU will be DC'ed when PS4/720 launch is as laughable and silly as when people said it for DS, 3DS,  Xbox 360 or any other system that launched before it's competitors.


Wii U is selling worse than Vita and more competition won't help, "just wait until Wii U games come out" nextbox and PS4 will have their own exclusives too at launch and superior looking multiplats and games only made for those 2 consoles like The Witcher or Deep Down. Kinect 2 gimmick looks to be way more appealling to consumers than the gamepad gimmick. Nintendo Dreamcasted themselves.

You're right, more competition won't help WiiU, marketing and games to end the current software drought will. And yeah, I'm sure the Witcher and deep down are more popular than a mario Kart or 3D Mario. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Wind Waker enhanced port beats those games' sales.

Also, i like how you can look into the future and tell that Kinect 2 is way more appealling.

Marketing and games is all you can answer, MS and Sony can have that too you know. I was pointing that besides exclusives there are games like The Witcher and Deep Down which are multiplatform games not coming to the Wii U (like GTA5) and they are increasing in number every month. N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too and Sony still beat them, the Wii motion control gimmick was wonderful, the Wii U gamepad is not.

Is not time travel or tarot reading is just looking at trends, kinect is a huge success even with its shorecomings, a much improved version bundled with every Nextbox is very appealing.

"marketing and games is all you can answer"

Yeah, cause...you know, that's the WiiU's problem right now...

 

"I was pointing that besides exclusives there are games like The Witcher and Deep Down which are multiplatform games not coming to the Wii U"

It's a good thing Nintendo isn't dependent on 3rd parties to sell their consoles then.

 

"N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too "

Good thing now aren't the same way they were back then.

 

"the Wii motion control gimmick was wonderful, the Wii U gamepad is not."

Know what the most important is  the Wii had that the WiiU hasn't had yet? A steady stream of good games.

 

"Is not time travel or tarot reading is just looking at trends, kinect is a huge success even with its shorecomings, a much improved version bundled with every Nextbox is very appealing."

Yes, as long as the games are there. 

"marketing and games is all you can answer"

Yeah, cause...you know, that's the WiiU's problem right now...

And competition is not a problem? Like I said before MS and Sony can match that too. Motion controls sold the Wii.

 

"It's a good thing Nintendo isn't dependent on 3rd parties to sell their consoles then."

Then why the N64 and Gamecube got beat by the PS1/PS2? 

 

"the Wii motion control gimmick was wonderful, the Wii U gamepad is not."

"Know what the most important is  the Wii had that the WiiU hasn't had yet? A steady stream of good games."

Again, N64 and Gamecube had a lot of good games, still got beat. You keep ignoring that the motion controls sold the Wii.

 

"N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too "

"Good thing now aren't the same way they were back then."

Yes they have improved but Ninty is still playing catch up in online services, millions of users have all their friends, achivements and thropies on XBLA and PSN for example.

 

"Is not time travel or tarot reading is just looking at trends, kinect is a huge success even with its shorecomings, a much improved version bundled with every Nextbox is very appealing."

"Yes, as long as the games are there."

Kinect sold with or without games, you can argue they are shovelware or quality titles but in any case kinect sold great. Kinect 2 will be way more integrated and improved with non gaming apps too and is a lot easier to market.



osed125 on 05 May 2013
Rafux said:

"N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too "

"Good thing now aren't the same way they were back then."

Yes they have improved but Ninty is still playing catch up in online services, millions of users have all their friends, achivements and thropies on XBLA and PSN for example.

Why will that stop people from buying Mario Kart or 3D Mario?



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Play4Fun on 05 May 2013
Rafux said:

"marketing and games is all you can answer"

Yeah, cause...you know, that's the WiiU's problem right now...

And competition is not a problem? Like I said before MS and Sony can match that too. Motion controls sold the Wii.

 

"It's a good thing Nintendo isn't dependent on 3rd parties to sell their consoles then."

Then why the N64 and Gamecube got beat by the PS1/PS2? 

 

"the Wii motion control gimmick was wonderful, the Wii U gamepad is not."

"Know what the most important is  the Wii had that the WiiU hasn't had yet? A steady stream of good games."

Again, N64 and Gamecube had a lot of good games, still got beat. You keep ignoring that the motion controls sold the Wii.

 

"N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too "

"Good thing now aren't the same way they were back then."

Yes they have improved but Ninty is still playing catch up in online services, millions of users have all their friends, achivements and thropies on XBLA and PSN for example.

 

"Is not time travel or tarot reading is just looking at trends, kinect is a huge success even with its shorecomings, a much improved version bundled with every Nextbox is very appealing."

"Yes, as long as the games are there."

Kinect sold with or without games, you can argue they are shovelware or quality titles but in any case kinect sold great. Kinect 2 will be way more integrated and improved with non gaming apps too and is a lot easier to market.


How about you put your money where your mouth/fingers is.

Since you seem to actually, seriously believe WiiU will be DC'ed, let's make a bet on it.



Ronster316 on 05 May 2013

I do not want Nintendo to become the next SEGA Dreamcast. (I don't think i could take it if another legendary GAMING company was to fall by the wayside)

Afterall....... the SEGA Dreamcast did not deserve to become the first SEGA Dreamcast to begin with.

2 Years of pure gaming heaven.




Rafux on 05 May 2013
Play4Fun said:
Rafux said:
 

"marketing and games is all you can answer"

Yeah, cause...you know, that's the WiiU's problem right now...

And competition is not a problem? Like I said before MS and Sony can match that too. Motion controls sold the Wii.

 

"It's a good thing Nintendo isn't dependent on 3rd parties to sell their consoles then."

Then why the N64 and Gamecube got beat by the PS1/PS2? 

 

"the Wii motion control gimmick was wonderful, the Wii U gamepad is not."

"Know what the most important is  the Wii had that the WiiU hasn't had yet? A steady stream of good games."

Again, N64 and Gamecube had a lot of good games, still got beat. You keep ignoring that the motion controls sold the Wii.

 

"N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too "

"Good thing now aren't the same way they were back then."

Yes they have improved but Ninty is still playing catch up in online services, millions of users have all their friends, achivements and thropies on XBLA and PSN for example.

 

"Is not time travel or tarot reading is just looking at trends, kinect is a huge success even with its shorecomings, a much improved version bundled with every Nextbox is very appealing."

"Yes, as long as the games are there."

Kinect sold with or without games, you can argue they are shovelware or quality titles but in any case kinect sold great. Kinect 2 will be way more integrated and improved with non gaming apps too and is a lot easier to market.


How about you put your money where your mouth/fingers is.

Since you seem to actually, seriously believe WiiU will be DC'ed, let's make a bet on it.


Ok but it will be a looong time before collecting. I bet Wii U will end up last against PS4 and Nextbox.



Play4Fun on 06 May 2013
Rafux said:
Play4Fun said:
Rafux said:
 

"marketing and games is all you can answer"

Yeah, cause...you know, that's the WiiU's problem right now...

And competition is not a problem? Like I said before MS and Sony can match that too. Motion controls sold the Wii.

 

"It's a good thing Nintendo isn't dependent on 3rd parties to sell their consoles then."

Then why the N64 and Gamecube got beat by the PS1/PS2? 

 

"the Wii motion control gimmick was wonderful, the Wii U gamepad is not."

"Know what the most important is  the Wii had that the WiiU hasn't had yet? A steady stream of good games."

Again, N64 and Gamecube had a lot of good games, still got beat. You keep ignoring that the motion controls sold the Wii.

 

"N64 and Gamecube had 3D Mario and Mario Kart too "

"Good thing now aren't the same way they were back then."

Yes they have improved but Ninty is still playing catch up in online services, millions of users have all their friends, achivements and thropies on XBLA and PSN for example.

 

"Is not time travel or tarot reading is just looking at trends, kinect is a huge success even with its shorecomings, a much improved version bundled with every Nextbox is very appealing."

"Yes, as long as the games are there."

Kinect sold with or without games, you can argue they are shovelware or quality titles but in any case kinect sold great. Kinect 2 will be way more integrated and improved with non gaming apps too and is a lot easier to market.


How about you put your money where your mouth/fingers is.

Since you seem to actually, seriously believe WiiU will be DC'ed, let's make a bet on it.


Ok but it will be a looong time before collecting. I bet Wii U will end up last against PS4 and Nextbox.


Damn...I just wanted an end of the year bet.

Something like, "If WiiU sales don't increase significantly by the end of the year, you get sig control" or something.



Rafux on 06 May 2013

@Play4Fun

I was actually thinking like the next 2 holydays.